Here's a good article with a wee bowline
mentioned, from the professor himself, Mr. Brion Toss.
http://www.briontoss.com/education/archive/miscsept02.htm
Also, beware of the difference between a
reduction of strength by X5 vs.retention of
strength... no big deal if it's 50% but a value
of 60% is a remarkable difference.
For the halyard, I put in an eye splice new and
when it is time to end-for-end the shackle gets
the ol' fisherman bend ('cause that is what I know it as) with a seized tail.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
At 06:33 AM 2/2/2018, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
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Canât speak for the confined space rescuers,
but the climbers switched from the bowline to
the figure eight, mainly, because the bowline
CAN untie by itself under certain situations.
Generally, the bowline is frowned upon in the life safety situations.
However, when I was learning to climb (a very
long time ago), I was told that the bowline
requires a second knot ( a hitch) after it. It
was there to prevent it from unraveling.
Marek
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
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I didn't spend much time comparing resources and
references so take it for what it's worth but
the website below did some tests and found the
bowline reduced strength by ~60% where as the
double fish knot broke at ~75%. I'm not sure
exactly what a double fish knot is compared to
any of the other knots. Interestingly I was
always taught that climers and confined space
rescuer use a figue eight (reweave or on a bite)
instead of a bowline because of its retained
strength. It's a interesting read at least.
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Josh
On Thu, Feb 1, 2018, 10:49 PM Rick Brass via
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
I couldnât help but chuckle because Iâve
been tying the Halyard Hitch, Jeanneau Variant
since I was about 12.. Except what Iâve always
used it for is to tie the monofilament leader
onto a fly when fly casting. The knot (bend
actually) that I learned takes two passes
through the eye of the hook and then is tied
like the Jeanneau bend. And when I learned it
from my Grandfather it was called a fishermanâs bend.
And, BTW, one of the reasons the bowline is the
most basic knot taught in the US Power Squadron
and CG Auxilliary basic seamanship classes is
according to the course material that it it
retains around 90% of the strength of the line
you are using and is the highest among the common knots and bends.
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
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I couldn't help but chuckle that Jeanneau owners
are claiming to have invented / named this
knot. It's just the halyard hitch with a
different finish. So perhaps it should be called
halyard hitch, Jeanneau variant?
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