Kevin Benoit used 3M Restorer and Wax on his new to him 35-2. Good results.
Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > My "new" paint job is 8 years old and some areas are no longer shiny due > to strap tension on the winter cover, so I was wondering if a simply wax > type finish or a touch up paint job is in order. Saw some earlier posts, > but wanted to weigh in. > > Thanks, > > > Alex Giannelia > a...@airsensing.com > (416) 203-9858 office > (416) 529-0070 mobile > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > Sent: May-23-18 9:05 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 148, Issue 90 > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Coupling bolts shearing (Rick Brass) > 2. Re: Rigging tensions for C&C 35 Mk I (Glen Eddie) > 3. Re: Coupling bolts shearing (detroito91) > 4. Re: Coupling bolts shearing (detroito91) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 19:48:23 -0400 > From: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > Message-ID: <000001d3f2f0$89b91f80$9d2b5e80$@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Jim?s boat has a Westerbeke 35D engine (3 cyl, 35HP) and Borg Warner BW7 > transmission, with the usual V drive arrangement of a LF38. Engine and > transmission were both newly installed in 2010. Had 140 hours on engine > when the boat was purchased in 2015. About 200 hours on it now, as Jim has > said. > > > > Seal on the hydraulic pump in the Borg Warner transmission failed during > the delivery from Charleston to Washington, NC in 2015 (seal had dried out > during a couple of years when the engine only accumulated 4 hours of use by > the PO, apparently). So the transmission was rebuilt at that time. > > > > There is a ?damper? between the engine flywheel and the input shaft of the > transmission. According to the illustration in the parts book, it looks > sort of like the spring loaded pressure plate in a clutch arrangement. But > it seems pretty unlikely that the damper would have failed with only 200 > hours on the engine. > > > > The Walter v drive hasn?t got much space under it for the coupling, so > Jim?s boat has a relatively small diameter coupling with 3 bolts in it. As > Jim has said, this is the 3rd time in two years that the bolts have sheared > off. As he has said, the feathering prop has been rebuilt, the shaft > checked for straightness, bolts replaced (though there is a question > whether the latest set is grade 5 or grade 8), engine aligned > repeatedly(and BTW the motor mounts are new), etc., etc., etc. Jim (and > everyone else aware of the problem) is getting really frustrated. > > > > Rick Brass > > Washington, NC > > > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frank > via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 3:39 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Frank <n...@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > > > > Jim, > > > > I have a 79 38LF, serial number 001. I have had a similar problem. > > There were a combination of things that caused it. > > First, the engine was never bedded in the boat properly. I had to cut the > engine mounts and rebuild them so the engine could be aligned with the prop > shaft. > > Second, I had the Paragon SAOV transmission and V-drive rebuilt. Most of > the internal components of both units were replaced. The prior owner > installed a used SAOD and connected the v-drive to it. (Making it a SAOV) > > But, most important, have you replaced the vibration damper connected to > the output shaft of the engine? It looks like a clutch plate but without > the clutch material. It is between the engine and the transmission. > > Mine looked good but upon a thorough inspection it was found to be trash! > > My problem turned out to be a combination of the above, several ?boat > yards? aligned the prop with the v-drive but in actuality, there was a > significant amount of difference between the two causing the bolts on the > coupling to loosen. > > There was enough play in the v-drive output for it to look good. > > > > I would suspect that your vibration damper is not doing it?s job. > > > > Frank > > > > Frank Noragon > S/V: Cool Change > C&C 38LF, s/n: 001 > Rose City Yacht Club > Portland, Oregon > > > > From: detroito91 via CnC-List > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:48 AM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> ; Jim Schwartz > > Cc: detroito91 > > Subject: Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > > > > The boat in question is an 81 landfall 38. > > The v-drive coupling bolts have sheared off 3 times and caused loss of > power. > > Have been very careful to pause when changing gears. > > The westerbeak engine runs great throughout all this. The shaft removed > and checked after the second time. The 2 bladed max prop sent back and > rebuilt. New motor mounts installed by po when replacing engine. About 4 > years ago (<200 hours on engine) coupling. Allignment done each time and > found okay. > > I am looking for advice, suggestions, similar situations and corrections. > HELP > > Losing confidence in boat. > > Thanks > > Jim schwartz > > SEA YA I > > 38 LF > > Washington nc > > _____ > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list. > com/attachments/20180523/272726ec/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 00:57:15 +0000 > From: Glen Eddie <ged...@torkinmanes.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Rigging tensions for C&C 35 Mk I > Message-ID: <29a81a11-c667-424d-aa13-373ace60d...@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Fantastic. > > > Glen Eddie > Tel: 416-777-5357 > Fax: 1-888-812-2557 > > Torkin Manes LLP > Barristers & Solicitors > > This email message, and any attachments, is intended only for the named > recipient(s) above and may contain content that is privileged, confidential > and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received > this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this email > message. Thank you. > > > > On May 23, 2018 5:48 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > OK, here's the super secret rig tensions for a 35-1. Don't tell anyone > outside the C&C community! > > Number are: Loos # / Tension in lbs / %breaking strength > > Uppers 34 / 1300 / 21 > Fwd lowers 21 / 640 / 14 > Aft lowers 12 / 270 / 5.5 > > These tensions should induce a bit of pre-bend in your mast. Your main > sail may not be cut for any pre-bend. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just curious if anyone has the standing rigging tension for the shrouds on > a C&C 35 Mk1. I have lost my sheets with the numbers. > > Thanks in advance. > > ________________________________ > Glen Eddie > > Tel: 416-777-5357 > > Fax: 1-888-812-2557 > > ged...@torkinmanes.com<mailto:ged...@torkinmanes.com> > > VCard<http://www.torkinmanes.com/vcard.aspx?ID=glen-eddie> > > Torkin Manes LLP > Barristers & Solicitors > 151 Yonge Street, Suite 1500 > Toronto ON M5C 2W7 > torkinmanes.com<http://www.torkinmanes.com> > An international member of Ally Law > > This email message, and any attachments, is intended only for the named > recipient(s) above and may contain content that is privileged, confidential > and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received > this message in error, please notify the sender and delete this email > message. Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray< > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list. > com/attachments/20180524/cdd08848/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 21:03:20 -0400 > From: detroito91 <detroit...@aol.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > Message-ID: > <mailman.580.1527123917.29866.cnc-list_cnc-list....@cnc-list.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Good idea. I will have that checked firstJim > -------- Original message --------From: Frank via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 5/23/18 3:38 PM (GMT-05:00) To: > cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Frank <n...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List > Coupling bolts shearing > > > > Jim, > ? > I have a 79 38LF, serial number 001.? I have had a similar > problem. > There were a combination of things that caused it. > First, the engine was never bedded in the boat properly.? I had to cut > the engine mounts and rebuild them so the engine could be aligned with the > prop > shaft. > Second, I had the Paragon SAOV transmission and V-drive rebuilt.? Most > of the internal components of both units were replaced.? The prior owner > installed a used SAOD and connected the v-drive to it. (Making it a SAOV) > But, most important, have you replaced the vibration damper connected to > the output shaft of the engine?? It looks like a clutch plate but without > the clutch material.? It is between the engine and the transmission. > Mine looked good but upon a thorough inspection it was found to be > trash! > My problem turned out to be a combination of the above, several ?boat > yards? aligned the prop with the v-drive but in actuality, there was a > significant amount of difference between the two causing the bolts on the > coupling to loosen. > There was enough play in the v-drive output for it to look good. > ? > I would suspect that your vibration damper is not doing it?s job. > ? > Frank > ?Frank Noragon > S/V: Cool Change > C&C 38LF, s/n: > 001 > Rose City Yacht Club > Portland, Oregon > > > > ? > > From: detroito91 via CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 11:48 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; Jim Schwartz > Cc: detroito91 > Subject: Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > ? > The > boat in question is an 81 landfall 38. > The v-drive coupling bolts have sheared off 3 times and caused loss of > power. > Have been very careful to pause when changing gears. > The westerbeak engine runs great throughout all this. The shaft removed > and > checked after the second? time. The 2 bladed max prop sent back and > rebuilt. New motor mounts installed by po when replacing engine. About 4 > years > ago (<200 hours on engine) coupling. Allignment done each time and found > okay. > I am looking for advice,? suggestions, similar situations and > corrections. HELP > Losing confidence in boat. > Thanks > Jim schwartz > SEA YA I > 38 LF > Washington nc > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for > supporting this list with your contributions.? Each and every one is > greatly appreciated.? If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send > contribution --?? https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > > > ? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list. > com/attachments/20180523/b24d87b6/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 21:04:26 -0400 > From: detroito91 <detroit...@aol.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > Message-ID: > <mailman.581.1527123917.29866.cnc-list_cnc-list....@cnc-list.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Another good idea to checkJim > -------- Original message --------From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 5/23/18 3:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: > Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > I sounds like having the bolts loosen is the root cause. > When I got my straight drive the coupler was held by carbon steel bolts > with lock washers and nuts.? They never came loose. > When I added a vibration dampener the new bolts came with nylock nuts.? > They advised torqing them to the correct spec.? I've never had them come > loose either. > Lock nuts, lock washers, locktite, and/or the proper torque are the only > suggestion I can provide based on your description. > Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk?1989 C&C 37+Solomons, MD? > On Wed, May 23, 2018, 3:35 PM detroito91 via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The v-drive has a coupler holding the shaft . The bolts on the coupler > loosen and then shear off. Fortunately only the bolts have been the only > damageJi > > -------- Original message --------From: ed vanderkruk < > primeinter...@gmail.com> Date: 5/23/18 3:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: > cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jim Schwartz <detroit...@aol.com> Subject: Re: > Stus-List Coupling bolts shearing > You have a keyway in the shaft and transmission coupling? > Ed > On Wed, May 23, 2018, 3:14 PM ed vanderkruk, <primeinter...@gmail.com> > wrote: > When you say coupling bolts ... the bolts mounting the transmission to the > bell housing? > Anyone check the transmission? > > Ed > Prime Interest?1982 LF38Toronto > On Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:49 PM detroito91 via CnC-List, < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > The boat in question is an 81 landfall 38.The v-drive coupling bolts have > sheared off 3 times and caused loss of power.Have been very careful to > pause when changing gears.The westerbeak engine runs great throughout all > this. The shaft removed and checked after the second? time. The 2 bladed > max prop sent back and rebuilt. New motor mounts installed by po when > replacing engine. About 4 years ago (<200 hours on engine) coupling. > Allignment done each time and found okay.I am looking for advice,? > suggestions, similar situations and corrections. HELPLosing confidence in > boat.ThanksJim schwartz?SEA YA I?38 LF?Washington > nc?_______________________________________________ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.? Each > and every one is greatly appreciated.? If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution --? ?https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.? Each > and every one is greatly appreciated.? 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