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On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 5:15 PM David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > My experience with Vivid has been different and I don’t know why. I had > the bottom stripped a few years ago, barrier coated and then rolled with > 3/8” using Vivid white. I found it so difficult to burnish using the > procedure they gave, I decided not to do the whole hull that way. It is > relatively smooth, but nothing like the Black Widow hulls I have seen. My > problem is that while it seems like a hard paint when out of the water, it > is extremely soft in the water. The only thing I can clean it with and not > strip all the paint off is a soft microfiber mitt or cloth. When I > complained to Pettit about the clouds of white when I used a slightly more > vigorous brush, they said I should use a microfiber cloth, so they seem to > know it is soft even thought they advertise it as hard. Even with a soft > microfiber cloth, there is a cloud of white in the water just from wiping > it down. I have read of others on various sites that have had the same > experience (but not everyone). I have bare spots every Fall and need to > repaint large areas each spring. On the other hand, it has done a good job > at preventing growth (except slime which I have not seen anything prevent) > and I love the white because I can so easily see what is growing. I plan > to change paints when I run out of the Vivid I bought last year, but not > sure what I will use. Waiting to here more about the Magic stuff. Dave > > S/V Aries > 1990 C&C 34+ > New London, CT > > > On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Thanks to all who replied with their experiences with bottom > painting--much food for thought! > > Some info not previously supplied: > > Yes, Petit Vivd is a hard ablative (although some articles classify it as > hard--see Practical Sailor for instance)--in fact I went to it from VC-17 > primarily because the VC-17 did a poor job locally (IMHO) on keeping the > barnacles at bay--or at least that was my impression. > > Thus I changed to Petit Vivid as several others in the Neuse River/Pamlico > Sound of NC claimed that it was a good paint for the local brackish waters. > > I did have it sprayed on, not rolled, for many years until the paint build > up was such that the hull needed taken down to the gel coat and then > properly barrier coated about 3 summers ago. Although an ablative, large > sections of the hull were flaking the layers of paint such that it was > clear that ablative or not, an entirely new bottom was needed. After about > 20 years of being in the water in NC, it also seemed about time to bite > this bullet. > > Having seen info about Petite Black Widow, I decided to have that applied > via spraying. Between the yard's unfamiliarity with that paint and the > local waters, the paint job was uneven and the barnacles were heavy in > places within 6-8 months of the paint job per my diver such that it was > clear that the application/paint had failed. The guy who has done much work > on my boat and who I believe to be truthful admitted to me that he was > certain that he never got the Black Widow properly diluted for the spray > application or didn't spray enough coats and, seeing the result, was > convinced even more that he never got enough layers of paint on the hull. > Since it was new to the entire yard, mine was the first application of > it--not a good place to be! > > After this expensive FAIL, I decided to go with a rolled application of > Petite Vivid (it had been sprayed on previously) in order to save some yard > labor/fees. They used a short nap roller but I don't think it was tipped. > > Absent Covid, Water Phantom was due for new paint last summer but since > there was no racing I decided not to have it done. Now the barnacle > build-up per my diver is such that I need to repaint. (BTW, since I club > race, my boat bottom is scrubbed via a diver before every race and no less > than monthly whether I am racing or not). > > The comments about the ablative characteristic of Petite Vivid raise some > interesting questions however, especially about repainting it: > > After it is applied/rolled on and then sanded smooth, I assume that it > would stay pretty smooth as it ablates, especially as it ablates and is > wiped down by a diver regularly. Mostly true? > > If so, the next application would just need rolled/tipped and sanded to > remove the roller impressions from this reapplication. Mostly true? > > Regarding going to a hard paint, say Baltoplate as Dennis uses, I > would need to completely remove the current paint (Vivid) and then apply > the paint, either by spray or roll and tip if I understand the process. If > so, this is likely outside my budget. Continuing with the Vivid would allow > an application on top of it--not so with adding a hard to an ablative. > > Going to Trinidad might also be an option but its a hard paint so it > would also be outside my budget, as with Baltoplate. > > Thanks again for everyone's input. > > Charlie Nelson > 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb > Water Phantom > > > > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with > the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks > - Stu -- Joel Delamirande *www.jdroofing.ca <http://www.jdroofing.ca>*
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
