The sock is likely slower for dousing as well. Not sure how fast furling a spinnaker is. The one I once used was a continuous line furling system in Newport Bermuda race in 2012 on a 43 ft boat (it was new that year). It was a very slow process to furl that spinnaker and we had problems with the furling system as well. I think it would be good for short handed sailing
We had a sock on Persistence. It came with the asym that the PO purchased and was delivered just a few weeks before we bought the boat (my favourite way to get sails). I found the sock to be a PITA. However when we went on a cruise our friend who was sailing with us loved it. I think we have flown the asym less than a dozen times over the 9 seasons we have had the boat. It is a cruising cut though so not much use when racing as we can carry the sym just as far forward and is easier to fly in almost all wind directions. I am interested to hear how you make out with the new setup. If I read your posts correctly you are sailing short legs so a furling spin would take away the need for packing the spin. That will be interesting. Mike Hoyt Persistence Halifax, NS From: Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: July 12, 2022 7:35 PM To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Randy Stafford <randal.staff...@icloud.com> Subject: Stus-List Re: Asym Rigging and Trim I have a regular crew that has been together for seven years. When we fly the symmetrical I’m on foredeck, and probably will be with the asym too (working its furling line). I’m confident our sail changes will be faster with furling genoa and furling asym than with the previous genoa luff rope in a head foil, and symmetrical in a sock with big heavy spin pole. Cheers, Randy On Jul 12, 2022, at 2:13 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Do you race your 30 single handed or with crew. If with good crew i think your symetrical kite hoists and take downs would be close to seemless sail transtions and very fast. I hope changing gear makes the difference you are looking for but you may still need help from good crew and you may still need to make some good tactical decisions that turn out lucky decisions. Gear changes will affect ratings. Ratings assume equal crew. Your crew might be more important to success. On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 11:25 AM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I do want to whoop my main competitor! Or at least compete with him. He’s the one who started an arms race in the fleet, by adding a bowsprit, asym, and top-down furler two years ago. That and a furling genoa is now the minimum ante in the fleet. At the windward mark he could furl his genoa and unfurl his asym in 30 seconds, while it took me several minutes to set the spin pole, hoist the symmetrical, hoist its dousing sock, and drop the genoa. There was no way I could compete. Cheers, Randy On Jul 11, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Wow, you must really want to whoop your main competitor! I guess that's what we do - it's just boat bucks! Bill Coleman Entrada, Erie PA On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 9:46 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Listers I am appealing to your collective wisdom on rigging and trimming an asymmetrical spinnaker. For Grenadine’s 50th birthday this year, I added a new furling genoa on a new Selden 204S furler, a retractable Selden 75 bowsprit, and an A2 asymmetrical spinnaker on a Selden GX10 top-down furler. I’m installing the latter two birthday presents on Tuesday. This is all to improve my downwind performance, and facilitate fast upwind / downwind sail plan changes at the marks and on the course, in my club’s races. I guess my specific questions are as follows, but I would appreciate any additional tips you old salts might offer. 1. Leading the tack line - I’m repurposing the foredeck padeye and block, side-deck fairleads, and cabin-side cam cleat for my former pole down line to run the asym tack line, which of course goes through the bowsprit lengthwise. My pole down line is too short to be the asym tack line, so I’ve repurposed a little-used genoa sheet. I figure if the deck hardware was sufficient for a symmetrical pole down line, it ought to suffice for an asym tack line. Am I wrong? 2. Where to put the turning blocks for the asym sheets: same place as for the symmetrical, or farther forward? For the symmetrical turning blocks I use snatch blocks at the stern pulpit braces. 3. What winch to lead to / where to trim from? My main competitor leads his asym sheets to cabintop winches, and trims from the windward side deck so the trimmer can see the whole sail. 4. When and how much to ease the tack line? By default I assume it’s tensioned so that the aysm’s tack is at the bowsprit and the luff is taut, but it can be eased - how much, and under what conditions? Thanks in advance for any wisdom you mmight share. Fun fact: the sail is black, with a logo of an M67 grenade on both sides, because of the etymology of my boat’s name, and because of her color scheme (red topsides, white deck and cabintop, black canvas. Cheers, Randy Stafford SV Grenadine C&C 30 MK I #79 Ken Caryl, CO -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
