Thanks Rick! Very helpful information…. I’ll certainly look into that self-tailing conversion kit paired to the 28’s…. Good idea.
Dean > On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > Dean, > > There is a Barient Winch catalog available on the L-26 website at Barient > Catalog (l-36.com) <https://l-36.com/barient_catalog.php>. You might want to > save a copy for future reference. > > Most of the winch equivalency charts I’ve bookmarked over the past 30 years > are no longer active on the web, But the information in the Barient catalog > gives some useful information. BTW, L-36 also has a Barient equivalent chart, > but it only goes as high as the 22 standard winch, but not the 25, 27, 28, > 32’s that are common on the bigger C&Cs. > > For a 34’ boat with approximate sail area of 470 sq ft, the catalog > recommends a Barient 25 genoa sheet winch for cruisers, or a 27 for racers. > As someone else has mentioned, the Barient winches used a different numbering > system than is presently common. The current system is to use the power ratio > of the winch in the lowest gear as a model number. So a Lewmar 42 2-speed > winch has a power ration of about 42:1 in low gear. > > IIRC, that is calculated using a 10” winch handle. (The longer the handle, > the more mechanical advantage you have. The average person can put about 50 > pounds of effort on the winch handle when cranking. With a 10” handle, you > get (10”- ½ the drum diameter) X 50 = inch pounds of torque to power the > winch. An 8” winch handle – which I need to use because of obstructions near > the primary winches – result in about 30% less input power.) > > According to the Barient catalog on L-36, the 25 has a power ratio of 44:1 > with a 10 inch handle. So replacement winches in the new current system would > be in the 44 range. The Power ratio of the 27 (recommended for racers) is > 46:1, so that would be an appropriate size range if you are looking for > easier tailing, or are using an 8” winch handle. > > BTW, the Barient catalog has a spec listed that they called the “Power > Advantage Rating”. It is pretty much a measure of how many pounds of tension > that the winch can put on the sheet when in low gear when cranked by an > average person. For the 25, it is about 2300 pounds. The 27 is 2900. The 28 > is 3450 even though the power ratio is lower than for the 27. And the 32 is > 3950 pounds. > > For what it is worth, if you upgrade to the 28 winches mentioned by a couple > of the others, a company called Winchmate offers a kit for conversion of the > standard winch to self-tailing. Cost is about $500 per kit, so for about > $1000 plus the cost of the 28 standard winches you can upgrade quite a bit. > Probably for less than a pair of new self-tailing winches is going to cost. > That is what I plan to do with the 28s and 32s on my 38. > > Rick Brass > Imzadi C&C 38 mk2 #47 > la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1 #225 > Washington, NC > > > > From: Dean McNeill via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>] > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:51 PM > To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> > Cc: Dean McNeill <d...@deanmc.ca <mailto:d...@deanmc.ca>> > Subject: Stus-List C&C 34 Winch replacement > > Looking to replace the original Barient 25 double speed primary winches on my > 1980 C&C 34 over the off season with similar sized self-tailing ones. Anyone > with a similar boat find a good replacement with same or similar mounting > holes that would save me some work? Really interested in what others have > done and recommend. > > Thanks, Dean > > C&C 34 > BarraWind > Halifax, NS, Canada
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