I'd like to hear other comments on Mary Kay's observations. I think this 
bird is too small to be a western tanager, it is only about 5.5 inches 
long. It's bill is actually relatively dark but appears light due to the 
bright sun on it. I stared at the pics for a while and still think it is a 
lesser goldfinch based on its bill shape and the location of its right eye 
relative to the bill. Unfortunately I don't have a picture of its back.
tx

Bill
El Paso county
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 6:45:39 PM UTC-6 Mary Kay Waddington wrote:

> I'll throw in my 2 cents here.  A lesser Goldfinch usually has a dark bill 
> and it's shorter than this.  The bill is usually the key to most families.  
> This bill is not long enough for an Orchard Oriole, and an Oriole bill has 
> a really slight downward curve.  A Tanager has a really slight "tooth" on 
> the bill.  If you look at this bill closely, the upper mandible has that 
> tiny little "tooth" in the middle of it.  The color, the shape, the length, 
> and the little tooth make me think this is a female Western Tanager.
>
> Mary Kay Waddington
>
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 11:45 AM Bill Kosar <bill_...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> There may have been a rush to judgement here. There were two late votes 
>> for lesser goldfinch for bird #1 and they may be correct. The bill seems 
>> too short for an oriole and the bird is only about 5.5 inches long based on 
>> a crude measurement of the feeder.
>>
>> This picture shows a closeup of the bill
>> [image: 1Z7A6284_cr_cr.jpg]
>>
>> And this picture shows the wing bars
>>
>> [image: 1Z7A6320_cr.jpg]
>>
>> So more inputs are welcome!
>>
>> Bill
>> El Paso county
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 8:29:59 AM UTC-6 Bill Kosar wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all of the replies on my bird ID question. The results were:
>>>
>>> Bird #1   5 people thought it was an orchard oriole, 2 a goldfinch and 1 
>>> a female western tanager. Another picture that I did not post shows the 
>>> wing stripes of the oriole so I think this ID is correct.
>>> Bird #2   Everyone agreed it is a pine siskin
>>> Bird #3   Everyone (except me initially!) agreed it was a rufous 
>>> hummingbird, probably juvenile. After a little more research I also agree 
>>> with this ID
>>>
>>> Thanks for all of the responses!
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> El Paso county
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 4:25:03 PM UTC-6 TLM wrote:
>>>
>>>> For me:
>>>>
>>>> #1 - Female Western Tanager
>>>>
>>>> #2 - Yes on the Siskin
>>>>
>>>> #3 - Juvenile Rufous
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Travis McComas
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 10:42 AM Bill Kosar <bill_...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   I saw three birds in my backyard that I am not confident of my IDs 
>>>>> on and would appreciate a little help on.
>>>>>
>>>>> #1  I think this is a female orchard oriole:
>>>>> [image: 1Z7A6284_cr.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> #2 I think this is a pine siskin due to the small amount of yellow in 
>>>>> the wing bar. These are usually more of a winter bird for me.         
>>>>> [image: 1Z7A6341_cr.jpg]ad #3 I think this is a juvenile broad-tailed 
>>>>> hummingbird
>>>>> [image: 1Z7A6363_cr.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Kosar
>>>>> bill_...@msn.com
>>>>> El Paso county
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