On 4 Aug 2012, at 08:08 PM, James Merkel <jmerk...@me.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 15:08:54 +0100 Mike Abdullah wrote:
> 
>> A) Your customers aren't going to be very happy about that
>> B) You can still codesign with a self-signed certificate, and really should 
>> have been doing so since the 10.5 days
> 
> Except that the Code Signing Guide says the following:
> 
> "Do not ship applications signed by self-signed certificates. A self-signed 
> certificate created with the Certificate Assistant is not recognized by 
> users’ operating systems as a valid certificate for any purpose other than 
> validating the designated requirement of your signed code. Because a 
> self-signed certificate has not been signed by a recognized root certificate 
> authority, the user can only verify that two versions of your application 
> came from the same source; they cannot verify that your company is the true 
> source of the code. For more information about root authorities, see 
> “Security Concepts”."
> 
> So I take it from this statement that if you allow downloads from Identified 
> Developers in your ML Security preferences, the download still wont' be 
> allowed if it's a self-signed certificate.

Correct. Self-signing purely guarantees that a new version of an app came from 
the same developer as the previous version. Pre-Developer ID, the benefits were:

- keychain prompts only appear the once, rather than once per version
- firewall didn't prompt about your app in some configs
There may be others I've forgotten

These days you need to be code signed to use security-scoped bookmarks or 
notification centre. Self-signing is really just a stopgap now to give you 
those features before applying for a Developer ID.
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