> On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:57, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote:
> 
> NSProxy checking actually work, but throwing those classes that derive from 
> Object class (note I used capitalised O here, the old Object class from early 
> NeXT times, also used heavily in OS X kernel, GCD and Mach ports)

What makes you think that Object is used in *any* of those places?

> into the mix means that no method can be sent before class is determined. I 
> would suggest Apple add one runtime function class_isSubclassOfClass() that 
> mirrors the functionality of NSObject and NSProxy method isSubclassOfClass so 
> that derivatives of the old Object class can be detected more easily.
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 03:49, Gary L. Wade <garyw...@desisoftsystems.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying that Apple's well-documented approach to see if an object is 
>> derived from NSProxy does not work? If that's the case, you need to submit a 
>> bug report to Apple. That's a serious issue that only Apple can help you 
>> with.
>> 
>> If you are using objects not derived from NSObject nor NSProxy, then change 
>> your design.
>> --
>> Gary L. Wade (Sent from my iPad)
>> http://www.garywade.com/
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ain’t work! Will crash if an Object derivative showed up.
>>> 
>>> I am scanning ALL loaded classes and only subclasses of a certain class is 
>>> interested. But due to the nature of this class scanning before I can make 
>>> sure that the class derives from NSObject I cannot call any method on it.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 03:34, Gary L. Wade <garyw...@desisoftsystems.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> If all you care about is if an object is a proxy or not, look at isProxy.
>>>> --
>>>> Gary L. Wade (Sent from my iPad)
>>>> http://www.garywade.com/
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 13, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Maxthon Chan <m...@maxchan.info> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I am doing here is scanning all loaded classes for subclasses of a 
>>>>> certain class. Before any NSObject method can be issued I have to check 
>>>>> if it is actually NSObject or NSProxy derivative instead of an Object 
>>>>> derivative that does not support NSObject methods. This calls for runtime 
>>>>> equivalent for one of the following NSObject methods:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - [NSObject respondsToSelector:(SEL)aSelector] = 
>>>>> class_respondsToSelector(Class, SEL) // this crashed.
>>>>> + [NSObject conformsToProtocol:(Protocol *)aProtocol] = 
>>>>> class_conformsToProtocol(Class, Protocol *) // check for NSObject 
>>>>> protocol, this does not work.
>>>>> + [NSObject isSubclassOfClass:(Class)aClass] // no equivalent, have to 
>>>>> implement it myself
>>>>> 
>>>>> I ended up creating this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> BOOL class_isSubclassOfClass(Class cls, Class other)
>>>>> {
>>>>> for (Class c = cls; c; c = class_getSuperclass(c))
>>>>>    if (c == other)
>>>>>        return YES;
>>>>> return NO;
>>>>> }
>>>>> 
>>>>> If i remembered it right GNUstep runtime have this function. I will file 
>>>>> a bug report to Apple and ask them to add this, as it is useful in class 
>>>>> scanning and i am using this technique heavily in jailbreak detection.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 01:20, Kyle Sluder <k...@ksluder.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Phillip Mills wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do you think the problem is with “respondsToSelector:”?  The error
>>>>>>> says you’re accessing past the end of a string.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Because the crash happens in a call stack that originates in
>>>>>> class_respondsToSelector, and involves none of Maxthon's code.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Kyle Sluder
>>> 
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