but I maybe entirely wrong.
if so, please let me know.
Let me be frank and open (and if I'm sure some people which I have been mailing with concerning these matters will look surprised now about me 'switching sides'):
1) KISS: if you have something to say, say so. If Pier has something to say, let him say so. Please don't speak up for each other since that carries the connotation of off-list design and planning with it. Pier is smart enough to talk for himself IMHO.
2) KISS: I've been known to fall into the same trap, but trying to overcome a situation like this should not be done by analyzing and answering each individual phrase of an email exchange. May I suggest to add an extra step to your double-email-pattern: throw the first one away and then start again with a blank screen
3) If remarks referring to some kind of polarization between commercial vs voluntary contributions to Cocoon reappear on this list, I will need to seriously rethink my appreciation of the genuine community sense on this list. Such partisanship is detrimental at best. I know I made reference to this on my blog last week, and I must say it feels rather bad seeing that innocent blog become a prodigy (http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/000760.html).
You are not wrong but neither is Carsten nor Christopher, Matthew or Ovidiu (to name just a few). Let's not try and find guilty people. Let's try to adapt our speaking style so that everybody feels genuinely comfortable on this list. Lately, we had one guy on cocoon-users who morphed from a ranting know-it-all to a helpful debating Cocoon enthusiast. If that guy was able to overcome his own tone of voice in order to fit in better with the community, I'm pretty sure we can slightly flex ours so that people don't need to overreact.
So much for the touchy-feely stuff. I think the refactoring of the build is great but a major part is missing. At the least, some prior warning would have been appreciated. If we held a vote however, I'm pretty sure everbody votes +1 on keeping it. As far as the CVS reshuffling is concerned, it's good to have the branches split out finally. The coordination could have been better, but again: let's move forward instead of looking back and analyzing stuff.
Please, let's keep the spirit high. There's so much nice things we can do, together.
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
