sure, but there's coding and then there's coding. i'm a sysadmin type, and i 
spend a minimal amount of time coding (although i do teach people how to use 
the shell to automate their work). i write small bits of code as needed to do 
my job, but nothing you'd recognize today. almost all of you have on your 
desktop (no matter what kind of desktop it is) some code i had something to do 
with a long time ago, though.

coder? do we really have to get so stuck in a definition here? we're all 
technologists, right?

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