"Speak up" only works if the speaker is treated with respect. If,
instead, the speaker is assailed with a litany of "you shouldn't think
that" and "you're spoiling our fun", then I doubt if you will get many
speakers.
There needs to be a procedure for dealing with "speaking up" that
doesn't resemble a public drubbing. Until that is added into the policy,
the policy itself is a false promise and likely to make things worse for
anyone speaking up, rather than better.
kc
On 1/23/13 5:21 AM, Shaun Ellis wrote:
Isn't this why we have an anti-harrassment policy? Why not hold zoia
(and all bots) accountable to the code of conduct like everyone else?
If zoia says something that makes you feel uncomfortable, then speak
up and we will take appropriate measures by removing the plugin or
removing that response from the data set. Let's not over-think it.
-Shaun
On 1/22/13 10:56 PM, Bill Dueber wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel <gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us>
wrote:
Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing
her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then?
I'm in. "We've both said things you're going to regret."
[GLaDOS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glados> is the
really-quite-mean AI
from the games Portal and Portal2]
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Genny Engel
<gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us>wrote:
Guess there's no groundswell of support for firing Zoia and replacing
her/it with a GLaDOS irc bot, then?
*Sigh.*
Genny Engel
-----Original Message-----
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Andromeda Yelton
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:30 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia
FWIW, I am both an active #libtechwomen participant and someone who
is so
thoroughly charmed by zoia I am frequently bothered she isn't right
there
*in my real life*. (Yes, I have tried to issue zoia commands during
face-to-face conversations with non-Code4Libbers.)
I think a collaboratively maintained bot with a highly open ethos is
always
going to end up with some things that cross people's lines, and
that's an
opportunity to talk about those lines and rearticulate our group norms.
And to that end, I'm in favor of weeding the collection of plugins,
whether because of offensiveness or disuse. (Perhaps this would be
a good
use of github's issue tracker, too?)
I also think some sort of 'what's zoia and how can you contribute' link
would be useful in any welcome-newbie plugin; it did take me a while to
figure out what was going on there. (Just as it took me the while to
acquire the tastes for, say, coffee, bourbon, and blue cheese,
tastes which
I would now defend ferociously.)
But not having zoia would make me sad. And defining zoia to be
woman-unfriendly, when zoia-lovers and zoia-haters appear to span the
gender spectrum and have a variety of reasons (both gendered and
non) for
their reactions, would make me sad too.
@love zoia.
Andromeda
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