I agree 100% with Gary.

UN has included 15 different millets (Sorghum, Pearl, Finger, Proso, Foxtail, 
Barnyard, Kodo, Little, Black Folio, White Fonio, Brown top, Job’s Tear, Teff, 
Raishan, Guinea) under IYM20234 portfolio. Sorghum and Pearl millets are 
obviously kings. My concern is that focus and identity of the other 13 minor 
millets will not be visible in such data base unless one has detail knowledge 
of the specific millets produced in respective country and regions.

US scenario:
Caution should be not to lose identity of proso millet under king’s shadow 
(sorghum). Sorghum has already established industry and association. 
Unfortunately, proso millet, the only minor millet of the US, does not have 
well organized market and no association to promote it. In my opinion, it will 
be years (5-10 or more years) before any of the other minor millets are in 
commercial production in the US. Proso millet’s limited market is the main and 
the most difficult bottle neck to promote its acreages in US. In next 2-3 years 
if proso millet’s market is expanded even 25% (which remains stable) that will 
be an important success story, And this model can be followed to promote other 
minor millets after their commercial production commences in the US. Therefore, 
in my opinion, NAMA’s primary focus should be how to create new market 
portfolio for proso millet. By no means, I want to stop our effort educating 
public about millets and their potential in the US but this effort should be 
secondary.

Thanks

Dipak

[cid:image001.png@01DA4540.3C7BC9E0]
Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
(308) 632-124<tel:3086321372>4 (work) / (308) 765-2324 (cell)


From: Collab <collab-bounces@lists.millets2023.space> On Behalf Of Gary 
Wietgrefe via Collab
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I agree with Dipak that U.S. millet data is hard to decipher by species for 
several reasons.

Two data references I gave are from two different sources--don't confuse them. 
U.S.D.A. annual SURVEY estimates are only proso millet production and only in 
three states (Colorado, Nebraska, and South Dakota) of the twenty-five or so 
states that produce proso. Five year U.S. CENSUS data, reported by National 
Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS/USDA) is very crude and unreliable as it 
must report any grower that claims she/he harvested millet (presumably for 
seed), but in my opinion, that survey barely touches the full scope of U.S. 
millet planted acres.

The second link on the other hand is USA TRADE CENSUS data which reports U.S. 
Dept. of Commerce international trade. It has nothing to do with production. 
Their "Millet" data, measured in kilograms, must be proso as Dipak suggested 
and does not include sorghum which lists data separately. To further 
substantiate proso's dominance in U.S. exports, Fonio is listed separately and 
is internationally traded some years or at least transshipped through the U.S.

U.S. and international trading codes must be divided into many subcategories to 
fully understand the species and forms of millet traded. When I sent proso 
millet seed to Mongolia and Turkey for research, I assume it was reported as 
"Millet". Also, as millet trade continues to develop, my fear is that millet 
meal (byproduct of ethanol production), millet forage, hulls, oil, millet 
sprays, maybe even beer (which is imported), and other forms of millet may be 
dumped into the same "Millet" category making trade data even more 
meaningless....Gary Wietgrefe

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I do not think that either USDA?s Millets Production data or the US Census data 
mention the specific millet. I agree that it is difficult to decipher without 
this detail.  For US, it almost exclusively proso millet. For China, it is 
proso millet and foxtail millet.

Thanks

Dipak

[cid:image001.png@01DA43BB.85B7C6D0]
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Subject: [Collab] Proso millet insights & comment on USDA "Millet Explorer" 
(Re: Collab Digest, Vol 24, Issue 1)

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Thank you, Gary. I concur with Joni's assessment of your informative email, and 
also your prognostication about 2024.

We should be putting such information and links as you shared about proso in a 
ready-to-reference set of webpages. Kind of a meta-reference to data and 
analysis by others. (This is on NAMA's full agenda.)

One quick remark concerning USDA's "Millet Explorer." It is not clear which of 
the various species we're treating as millets are covered in this data. 
However, it is clear that at least 3 or 4 crops, and perhaps more, are 
collapsed under the category of "millet." That may be a function of how data is 
collected in the various countries, but it all points in my thinking to a need 
for more specificity.

The selection of millets most grown in China, for example, is not the same as 
that in the US, and the West African Sahel and East Africa are  also different. 
And India has 8 or 9 figuring prominently in annual production.

I did not see such improvement of data collection and reporting on the agenda 
of the International Year of Millets, but it probably should be a goal moving 
forward. (FAO would  seem best placed to promote such evolution.)

All the best,

Don

DO, EL, MI, US
NAMA


On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:32?PM Joni Kindwall-Moore 
<j...@snacktivistfoods.com<mailto:j...@snacktivistfoods.com><mailto:j...@snacktivistfoods.com<mailto:j...@snacktivistfoods.com>>>
 wrote:
This is very insightful Gary, as usual, your content is very well thought out 
and reflects your experience.
thanks

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 11:29?AM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab 
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With NAMA, there has never been a better opportunity for the U.S. millet 
future, especially proso. NAMA is best positioned to promote all North American 
millets based on their multi-million acre base, climate resilience, food 
quality, and international acceptance.

A fundamental economics rule is that market growth slows as prices increase. 
Alternatively, as price decreases opportunities increase by finding new users 
at their initial price point. Once a market is established, barriers to exit 
drives prices up.

Without promotional budget or government interference, proso production, use, 
and exports have fluctuated for the last half-century based on that economic 
rule. As markets developed, caged and wild birdseed packagers have been forced 
by consumers to put white proso into mixes.

Another example is black oil-seed sunflowers as birdseed. In 1978 only 
confection sunflower seed was used in birdseed mixes. Those confection seeds 
were too large for most caged birds and low-quality confections were discarded 
at low prices into the wild bird mixes. Working for the South Dakota Department 
of Agriculture, I introduced black oil sunflower seed as wild birdseed. It took 
off! Black oilseed sunflower farm prices have ranged from under 10-cents/lb to 
40-cents/lb only because birdseed market demand sets the price. South Dakota 
follows North Dakota in sunflower production. North Dakota black oilseed 
sunflowers primarily are crushed for oil. Nearly all South Dakota black oilseed 
sunflowers go into the birdseed market. In fact, the largest SD grain elevator 
quotes daily black oilseed sunflowers only as "Birdseed." See Oahe Grain 
Corporation<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.oahegraincorp.com/__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!F0FDnZNF7Hodkacr1mSmlqQrxopZXxmnZY8nOICEK3ZFmUVq6gTE-b1vyRm8
 J5Q2Ujc5Br_jUz99zO7dRQ$>. Market demand drives price!

For a brief U.S. proso economics lesson, review one minute segment (2:20-3:20) 
of this "Proso Millet Pricing" YouTube video 
https://youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=UMNZg6Ne1RSEkQWp<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=UMNZg6Ne1RSEkQWp__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!Hj6Pk4ZsR-ISLqBlViyZqDqGh9CgR5zSmnrUXZ4Zawil2kr95_tL8kLk8d5L-vWNqOH0hDiXf5DPpbdQZ5-rSMzsttRpRA$><https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=UMNZg6Ne1RSEkQWp__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!F0FDnZNF7Hodkacr1mSmlqQrxopZXxmnZY8nOICEK3ZFmUVq6gTE-b1vyRm8J5Q2Ujc5Br_jUz8vNeUPMA$>.

Two other items:
1.) USDA's December 2023 World Millet Production is available at Millet 
Explorer 
(usda.gov<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/usda.gov__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!Hj6Pk4ZsR-ISLqBlViyZqDqGh9CgR5zSmnrUXZ4Zawil2kr95_tL8kLk8d5L-vWNqOH0hDiXf5DPpbdQZ5-rSMzbWbOQSA$>)<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/ipad.fas.usda.gov/cropexplorer/cropview/commodityView.aspx?cropid=0459100&sel_year=2023&rankby=Production__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!F0FDnZNF7Hodkacr1mSmlqQrxopZXxmnZY8nOICEK3ZFmUVq6gTE-b1vyRm8J5Q2Ujc5Br_jUz8qunQlrg$>.

2.) U.S. Census data is only out through Oct. 2023, but with current proso 
supplies, it would not surprise me if 2024 U.S. millet exports do not exceed 
2019 (at 129,286,000 lbs.). In the last five years, as expected, U.S. millet 
exports have decreased as prices increased. See 
https://usatrade.census.gov/data/Perspective60/View/dispview.aspx<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/usatrade.census.gov/data/Perspective60/View/dispview.aspx__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!Hj6Pk4ZsR-ISLqBlViyZqDqGh9CgR5zSmnrUXZ4Zawil2kr95_tL8kLk8d5L-vWNqOH0hDiXf5DPpbdQZ5-rSMwFbGID4Q$><https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/usatrade.census.gov/data/Perspective60/View/dispview.aspx__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!F0FDnZNF7Hodkacr1mSmlqQrxopZXxmnZY8nOICEK3ZFmUVq6gTE-b1vyRm8J5Q2Ujc5Br_jUz9H-7GecQ$>.

Again, 2024 should be a very dynamic millet year....Gary Wietgrefe

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   1. Re: "Year of Millets: Farmers willing, but market needs to
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Thanks Don, I am always appreciative of the share. We must focus on the
markets, go to market partners, processing, and education. Awareness with
influencers, chefs, buyers, and consumers is critical for the adoption of
underutilized crops and for the markets to gain any traction.
Unfortunately, the Proso millet market had more growers this year but then
without any market development, it was harmful to the economics for the
farmers unfortunately.
We will keep working but there are so few people working on this
critical side of the equation and almost no financial support so it remains
very difficult.
Warm regards,
Joni

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> Here's a recent article on the potential for proso millet in the Pacific
> Northwest, which includes thoughts from NAMA co-founder Joni Kindwall-Moore
> on the potential of this crop in general:
>
> "Year of Millets: Farmers willing, but market needs to develop," by
> Matthew Weaver, Capital Press (Salem, OR), 26 Dec. 2023
> https://www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/grains/year-of-millets-farmers-willing-but-market-needs-to-develop/article_578c935c-9614-11ee-8918-4f6ea774f922.html<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/grains/year-of-millets-farmers-willing-but-market-needs-to-develop/article_578c935c-9614-11ee-8918-4f6ea774f922.html__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!Hj6Pk4ZsR-ISLqBlViyZqDqGh9CgR5zSmnrUXZ4Zawil2kr95_tL8kLk8d5L-vWNqOH0hDiXf5DPpbdQZ5-rSMwRZ6aXgw$><https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.capitalpress.com/ag_sectors/grains/year-of-millets-farmers-willing-but-market-needs-to-develop/article_578c935c-9614-11ee-8918-4f6ea774f922.html__;!!PvXuogZ4sRB2p-tU!F0FDnZNF7Hodkacr1mSmlqQrxopZXxmnZY8nOICEK3ZFmUVq6gTE-b1vyRm8J5Q2Ujc5Br_jUz-VkLt3DQ$>
>
> I hope Joni won't mind my copying her additional comments on posting this
> article to LinkedIn:
>
> "Thank you Matthew Weaver at the Capital Press for doing a follow-up on
> the work we have been doing to develop our domestic Millets (including
> Sorghum) industry.
>
> "We have made strides this year in pushing for education and promotion
> thanks to the United Nations/FAO Year of Millets and several domestic
> organizations like the North American Millets Alliance (NAMA), the United
> Sorghum Checkoff Program, and Nate Blum's visionary work at Sorghum United.
>
> "Hundreds of conversations with farmers have left me feeling confident
> that there is a major yearning to plant more climate-resilient crops like
> millets to diversify their rotations and transition to crops that require
> less water, fewer chemical inputs and positively impact soil health.
>
> "We can not fuel regeneration without the diversification of crops. But
> this requires diversification of markets.
>
> "Unfortunately, the markets are not developing as fast as we need them to
> for a variety of reasons. Several factors persist that are hampering the
> development of market segments that support crop diversity and the adoption
> of millets.
>
> "First and foremost, I will say that I am personally extremely
> disappointed at the lack of interest in crop diversity and
> climate-resilient crops in general from leaders in the Natural Products
> industry. We tried to raise awareness and put millets on the topics of
> conversations at events like Expo West and in buyer groups at leading
> retailers like Whole Foods Market and Sprouts Farmers Market but they were
> stubbornly unreceptive to the topic.
>
> "Interestingly enough, the 3 retailers who wanted to hear about millets
> and the potential role they play in the food system of the future were
> Walmart, The GIANT Company and Market of Choice. I am so appreciative of
> their willingness to lean in, take responsibility, and truly understand the
> pivotal role that retailers will play in shaping the food system of the
> future.
>
> "They invited the conversations, they wanted to learn. I applaud them!
>
> "While very positive conversations continue, I refuse to just sit here and
> watch other nations lead the transformation toward a climate-resilient food
> system, the sluggish adoption of the US markets is truly a shame.
>
> "We will keep pushing these initiatives domestically because of the
> critical role that climate-resilient crops play in the future of our food
> system."
> (Joni Kindwall-Moore at
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>
> Don
>
> DO, EL, MI, US
> NAMA
>
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