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Josh Canfield commented on TAP5-1355:
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Hi Andy.

Sorry, I jumped to solving the immediate problem and didn't step back to 
consider the base problem that was originally being solved. The problem seems 
to be that Tapestry is depending on HttpSessionBindingListener in order to 
manage session attribute lifecycle, and that the behavior is container 
specific. I looked at the Jetty code and it uses .equals, but Tomcat uses != to 
determine whether to call the valueBound method.

The servlet spec is not clear about what the right behavior is for the 
container. I was surprised that the spec is actually self contradictory about 
how the method was even supposed to be called. For instance, in the 2.4 spec 
SRV.7.4 "The valueBound method must be called before the object is made 
available via the getAttribute method of the HttpSession interface." and then 
in SRV.15.1.7, the javadoc for HttpSession it says "Notifications are sent 
after the binding methods complete." Both Tomcat and Jetty seem take the 
approached defined in the HttpSession docs (maybe I'm reading something wrong 
here.) This means that in a situation where you are accessing the object in a 
multi-threaded manner you could get the object from the session before your 
valueBound method has even run. Threading issues have been left up to the 
developer.

The biggest hole though, there is no specification as far as I can find as to 
what it means to "bind" an object to the session. Jetty will call valueBound if 
the .equals says it's different, Tomcat only if the object has changed (you 
only bind an object to the session once). Since we have two containers that 
behave differently we can only imagine that other containers will take 
alternating approaches.

To sum up; the prevailing wisdom seems to be that after changing the value 
within a session attribute that calling session.setAttribute() is enough to get 
clustered session attribute replicated. Having spent some time with this code I 
think the dependency on HttpSessionBindingListener should be dropped and 
Tapestry should go with Andy's number two solution. Keeping the dirty/clean 
cycle within Tapestry's code.



> Threading issue with SessionStateObjects
> ----------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TAP5-1355
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1355
>             Project: Tapestry 5
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: tapestry-core
>    Affects Versions: 5.2.4
>            Reporter: Moritz Gmelin
>         Attachments: Screenshot.png.jpg, taptest.tgz
>
>
> When a page request consists of multiple HTTP request (e.g. page and some 
> dynamically generated images) and all those requests access a 
> SessionStateObject, it happens that a new session (with an empty SSO) is 
> created for some of the request threads.
> I was able to create a very simple example to recreate that problem:
>       -A simple page that displays 20 dynamically generated images in a loop.
>       -In the page, a SSO, holding a number value is initialized to a random 
> number.
>       -Each of the dynamic images read that number and draws it.
>       -Make sure that a HTTP-Request is made for every image on the page (by 
> adding some random number to the event link)
> The effect that you'll see after some reloads of the page (maybe you need to 
> reload 30 times) is that some images will draw 0 as SSO value instead of the 
> number set in the page @BeginRender method. Those fields will be marked in 
> red in the demo so you can quickly see them. 
> I definitely beleive that tapestry should take care of this. It is a use case 
> for SSOs that is probably too common to ignore. 
> Why can't this be automatically integrated into the ApplicationStateManager?
>  
> The demo has been deployed here
> http://www.avetana.de/taptest/

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