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2025/11/14
(tvm) branch tvm-ffi-bool updated (a975381e85 -> a7821b8a8c)
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] [CI] Update pre-commit configuration [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add lower bound support for range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/14
(tvm) branch main updated: [CI] Update pre-commit configuration (#18448)
tqchen
2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
[PR] fix(web): update progress reporting when loading from cache [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add lower bound support for range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/14
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add lower bound support for range constraints (#18447)
mshr
2025/11/14
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for Pad [tvm]
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2025/11/14
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add lower bound support for range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/14
[PR] [CI] Update pre-commit configuration [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@0754ad82d6669af048effcf019cb549ed342605c)
tqchen
2025/11/13
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add lower bound support for range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [I] [Bug][FRONTEND][ONNX] Error converting operator Expand: TVMError: broadcast_to expects the input tensor shape is broadcastable to the target shape. [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for MaxPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [I] [FRONTEND][ONNX] Error converting operator Transpose: TVMError: PermuteDims expects the number of input axes to equal the ndim of the input tensor. [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [I] [FRONTEND][ONNX] Error converting operator Transpose: TVMError: PermuteDims expects the number of input axes to equal the ndim of the input tensor. [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm) branch main updated: [FRONTEND][ONNX] Fix operator Transpose: TVMError: PermuteDims expects the number of input axes to equal the ndim of the input tensor (#18435)
tlopex
2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [FRONTEND][ONNX] Fix operator Transpose: TVMError: PermuteDims expects the number of input axes to equal the ndim of the input tensor [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for MaxPool (#18446)
tlopex
2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for MaxPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for AdaptiveAvgPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for MaxPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm) branch nightly updated (4b555a964f -> 506a0bbc3f)
github-bot
2025/11/13
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for MaxPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] relax export json [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] Add CPU Sample device API implementation [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] Add CPU Sample device API implementation [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] Add CPU Sample device API implementation [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[PR] Add CPU Sample device API implementation [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm) branch tvm-ffi-bool updated (11f324d9ea -> a975381e85)
tqchen
2025/11/13
(tvm) 01/01: [DataType] Update to use explicit Bool Type Aligning with DLPack
tqchen
2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [DOCS] Remove prebuilt package references and disable Colab button at tutorials [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@506a0bbc3f37bbee4bca5ce45972eefb6dc0288c)
tqchen
2025/11/13
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@506a0bbc3f37bbee4bca5ce45972eefb6dc0288c)
tqchen
2025/11/13
Re: [I] [Docs] Remove Google Analytics from the TVM Website [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for AdaptiveAvgPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for AdaptiveAvgPool (#18437)
tlopex
2025/11/13
Re: [I] [Docs] Remove Google Analytics from the TVM Website [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] [Bug] InternalError: sqrt operation requires float dtype but receives int64 in attention scaling [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] [Bug] InternalError: Squeeze dimension check too strict compared to PyTorch behavior [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] [Bug] InternalError: PermuteDims dimension mismatch when converting scaled_dot_product_attention with 2D inputs [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] [Bug] InternalError: cannot make uint from negative value -inf when compiling model with MultiheadAttention [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] [Bug] KeyError: 'dtype' when converting PyTorch model with gradient checkpointing using torch.export [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for AdaptiveAvgPool [tvm]
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2025/11/13
[I] [Bug] Segmentation fault when converting PyTorch index assignment operation with torch.export [tvm]
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2025/11/13
Re: [PR] [CI] Enable username checks in PR title and body [tvm]
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2025/11/12
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add decomposed operator support for AdaptiveAvgPool [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [PR] [DOC] Remove prebuilt package references and disable Colab button at tutorials [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm) branch main updated (4b555a964f -> 6785c8f131)
tlopex
2025/11/12
Re: [PR] [CI] Enable username checks in PR title and body [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [PR] [DOC] Remove prebuilt package references and disable Colab button at tutorials [tvm]
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2025/11/12
[PR] [DOC] Remove prebuilt package references and disable Colab button at tutorials [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm) branch nightly updated (f574031657 -> 4b555a964f)
github-bot
2025/11/12
(tvm) branch tvm-ffi-bool updated: Update
tqchen
2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Bug] the latest doc about installing tvm from source code is not complete. [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [DLPack] Leverage exchange api when possible (#260)
yaxingcai
2025/11/12
(tvm) branch main updated: Adjusted Longrope embedding function to match Huggingface Implementation (#18422)
ruihangl
2025/11/12
Re: [PR] Adjusted Longrope embedding function to match Huggingface Implementation [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Docs] Remove Google Analytics from the TVM Website [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm) branch tvm-ffi-bool updated (ee4270e209 -> 4b1670421f)
tqchen
2025/11/12
(tvm) 01/01: [DataType] Update to use explicit Bool Type Aligning with DLPack
tqchen
2025/11/12
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@d013dad06d38cf0e011ac065815db2609d2c3efe)
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2025/11/12
(tvm) branch tvm-ffi-bool created (now ee4270e209)
tqchen
2025/11/12
(tvm) 01/01: [DataType] Update to use explicit Bool Type Aligning with DLPack
tqchen
2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Bug] Cannot find intrinsic declaration, possible type mismatch: llvm.log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm) branch main updated: [TOPI] Support integer type input for log and log2 (#18426)
ruihangl
2025/11/12
Re: [PR] Support integer type input for log and log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Bug] 3 tests fail [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Bug] 3 tests fail [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Bug] 3 tests fail [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests (#18433)
tlopex
2025/11/12
[PR] [FRONTEND][ONNX] Fix operator Transpose: TVMError: PermuteDims expects the number of input axes to equal the ndim of the input tensor [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [I] [Docs] Remove Google Analytics from the TVM Website [tvm]
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2025/11/12
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [ADDON] Add torch c dlpack for macos (#256)
tqchen
2025/11/12
[I] [Docs] Remove Google Analytics from the TVM Website [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/12
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] feat(relax/frontend/torch): Add basic range constraint support [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] feat(relax/frontend/torch): Add basic range constraint support [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints (#18429)
mshr
2025/11/11
Re: [I] [Bug] 3 tests fail [tvm]
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2025/11/11
(tvm) branch nightly updated (26db8bfd7e -> f574031657)
github-bot
2025/11/11
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [Fix] Enhanced check for CUDA availability (#258)
ruihangl
2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
svn commit: r80636 - release/tvm/tvm-ffi-v0.1.2
tqchen
2025/11/11
(tvm-ffi) tag v0.1.2 created (now c1df05f)
tqchen
2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/11
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/10
Re: [PR] [CI] Enable username checks in PR title and body [tvm]
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2025/11/10
Re: [I] [Bug] The test scripts tries to tell numpy a dtype name that it cannot recognise. [tvm]
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2025/11/10
Re: [I] [Bug] The test scripts tries to tell numpy a dtype name that it cannot recognise. [tvm]
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2025/11/10
(tvm) branch main updated: [TEST][CODEGEN] Fix the test scripts tries to tell numpy a dtype name that it cannot recognise (#18430)
tlopex
2025/11/10
Re: [PR] [TEST][CODEGEN] Fix the test scripts tries to tell numpy a dtype name that it cannot recognise [tvm]
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2025/11/10
[PR] Enable username checks in PR title and body [tvm]
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2025/11/10
(tvm) branch nightly updated (33fa9262fa -> 26db8bfd7e)
github-bot
2025/11/10
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@26db8bfd7e527198f43f3cc379f404c7513a82ef)
tqchen
2025/11/10
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [ADDON] Add torch c dlpack ext wheels for windows (#252)
tqchen
2025/11/10
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [PyTorch] Allow tensor conversion on rocm backend (#253)
tqchen
2025/11/10
Re: [PR] Bump pip from 22.1.1 to 25.2 in /docker/python [tvm]
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2025/11/10
(tvm) branch dependabot/pip/docker/python/pip-25.3 created (now 872198ecc5)
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2025/11/10
Re: [PR] Bump pip from 22.1.1 to 25.2 in /docker/python [tvm]
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2025/11/10
[PR] Bump pip from 22.1.1 to 25.3 in /docker/python [tvm]
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2025/11/10
(tvm) branch dependabot/pip/docker/python/pip-25.2 deleted (was 80b1bc229f)
github-bot
2025/11/10
Re: [PR] [Web] Fix arrayDecodeStorage scope issue for q0f32 models [tvm]
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2025/11/10
(tvm) branch main updated: [Web] Fix arrayDecodeStorage scope issue for q0f32 models (#18415)
tqchen
2025/11/10
Re: [PR] [Web] Fix arrayDecodeStorage scope issue for q0f32 models [tvm]
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2025/11/10
Re: [PR] [Web] Fix arrayDecodeStorage scope issue for q0f32 models [tvm]
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2025/11/10
Re: [PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/10
[PR] [TEST][CODEGEN] Fix the test scripts tries to tell numpy a dtype name that it cannot recognise [tvm]
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2025/11/10
[PR] [Relax][Pytorch] Support basic range constraints [tvm]
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2025/11/09
Re: [I] [Release] v0.20.0 Release Candidate Notes [tvm]
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2025/11/09
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(8) [tvm]
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2025/11/09
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(8) (#18428)
mshr
2025/11/09
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(8) [tvm]
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2025/11/09
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(8) [tvm]
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2025/11/09
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(8) [tvm]
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2025/11/09
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(8) [tvm]
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2025/11/09
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [misc] support various arg types (#229)
tqchen
2025/11/09
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: feat: Introduce `tvm.registry.get_registered_type_keys()` (#249)
tqchen
2025/11/09
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: chore(cython): Specify `--module-name` when building Cython (#248)
tqchen
2025/11/09
Re: [PR] feat(relax/frontend/torch): Add basic range constraint support [tvm]
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2025/11/08
(tvm) branch nightly updated (3d136588d9 -> 33fa9262fa)
github-bot
2025/11/08
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) (#18427)
mshr
2025/11/08
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/08
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: fix(cython): Make sure `TypeInfo` is properly registered by all classes (#246)
junrushao
2025/11/08
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: feat(cython): Expose TypeAttr via `_lookup_type_attr` (#247)
junrushao
2025/11/08
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/08
svn commit: r80574 - dev/tvm/tvm-ffi-v0.1.2-rc0
tqchen
2025/11/08
(tvm-ffi) tag v0.1.2.rc0 created (now c1df05f)
tqchen
2025/11/08
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [PYTHON] Further streamline number handling (#242)
tqchen
2025/11/08
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated (5a87749 -> 8ee0e49)
tqchen
2025/11/07
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/07
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [CYTHON] Improve fallback and dtype convert behavior (#241)
tqchen
2025/11/07
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [FIX] Fix missing static registration for DLTensor* (#239)
junrushao
2025/11/07
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [ERROR] Make Error conform more to std (#240)
junrushao
2025/11/07
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/07
[PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(7) [tvm]
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2025/11/07
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [STREAM] Enable compact with cuda-python driver stream (#236)
junrushao
2025/11/07
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: Allow handling of load-bearing compiler flags for dlpack (#231)
junrushao
2025/11/07
Re: [PR] [TIR][Schedule] Add FuseReductionEpilogue primitive to fuse epilogue … [tvm]
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2025/11/07
(tvm-ffi) branch main updated: [CYTHON] Fix ctypes.c_void_p for nullptr (#235)
tqchen
2025/11/07
Re: [PR] feat(relax/frontend/torch): Add basic range constraint support [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [PR] Support integer type input for log and log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [PR] Support integer type input for log and log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [PR] Support integer type input for log and log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
[PR] Support integer type input for log and log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [I] [Bug] Cannot find intrinsic declaration, possible type mismatch: llvm.log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
Re: [I] [Bug] Cannot find intrinsic declaration, possible type mismatch: llvm.log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
[I] [Bug] Cannot find intrinsic declaration, possible type mismatch: llvm.log2 [tvm]
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2025/11/07
[I] [Bug] Segfault when applying Parallel during TIR schedule rewriting [tvm]
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2025/11/07
[I] [Bug] MetaSchedule tune_tir crashes with ScheduleError in RewriteFuseSplitParallelVectorize [tvm]
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2025/11/06
(tvm) branch nightly updated (ae839848b2 -> 3d136588d9)
github-bot
2025/11/06
Re: [PR] [TIR] Add step attribute to ForNode (Initial codes) [tvm]
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2025/11/06
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@3d136588d90cf393f190654d79939462abd9745c)
tqchen
2025/11/06
Re: [PR] [DOCS] Update cross-compilation and RPC tutorial with modern PyTorch deployment workflow [tvm]
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2025/11/06
[PR] Adjusted Longrope embedding function to match Huggingface Implementation [tvm]
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2025/11/06
Re: [I] [Release] v0.20.0 Release Candidate Notes [tvm]
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2025/11/06
Re: [I] [Release] v0.20.0 Release Candidate Notes [tvm]
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2025/11/05
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@ae839848b22f16aa92adb2a83ab050ecde8ee3cc)
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2025/11/05
(tvm-site) branch asf-site updated: deploying docs (apache/tvm@ae839848b22f16aa92adb2a83ab050ecde8ee3cc)
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2025/11/05
(tvm) branch nightly updated (8ab96af40e -> ae839848b2)
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2025/11/05
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(6) [tvm]
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2025/11/05
(tvm) branch main updated: [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(6) (#18420)
mshr
2025/11/05
Re: [PR] [Relax][PyTorch] Add support for decomposed operators and fix IR of ops tests(6) [tvm]
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2025/11/05
Re: [I] [Bug] Segfault in TVM when building TIR module with pragma_unroll_explicit annotations [tvm]
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2025/11/05
(tvm-ffi) tag v0.1.1.rc0 deleted (was 0ee6444)
tqchen
2025/11/05
Re: [I] [Release] v0.20.0 Release Candidate Notes [tvm]
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2025/11/05
Re: [I] [Bug] Did you forget to bind? for cuda backend. [tvm]
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