Hi Adrian
> Should we create a separate dev and user mailing list? > If not should we just have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list or a > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list? I think we should have separate httpclient-dev and httpclient-user lists. It is a common practice for many (if not all) Jakarta projects. > Should all the committers come across or just the currently active ones? I > think this should be all of them, in which case - should we attempt to > contact them and ask for their preference? I've currently taken the list > from project.xml. The trouble is that 2 of our committers turned out to have not signed the Apache CLA. Some of people included have officially resigned from the project. Some have not been showing up for years. To be fair to ourselves and the PMC who is going to vote on the proposal, I think we should include only active committers. As to currently inactive committers, we should inform them about the move and change of the project status. If they express their willingness to resume/continue working on the project, once the legal aspects are taken care of, their full-fledged committer status can be unconditionally restored. > The project shall create and maintain a Java library implementing the client > side of the HTTP/1.1 protocol, as defined in RFC 2616 and RFC 2617. There are a few more RFCs to be mentioned: RFC2109 (upgrade to 2965 planned for 4.0), RFC1867, RFC2396. RFC1945 compatibility should be mentioned as well. > The package is used by the Slide proejcct to build a WebDAV client library > supporting WebDAV level 2. HttpClient is now used by many other Apache projects (Cactus, XML-RPC to mention a few) besides Slide and non-Apache projects (Limewire, JBoss, as it recently turned out). I believe this fact should be mentioned as evidence of HttpClient growing acceptance beyond its original user base thus supporting out bid for promotion from Jakarta Commons to Jakarta proper. Oleg -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Sutton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:35 To: Commons HttpClient Project Subject: [PROPOSAL][DRAFT] Promote HttpClient to Jakarta level Hi all, I thought I'd get the ball rolling on creating this proposal - sorry if I've stepped on someone's toes. I had a few unexpected spare cycles. >From http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html our Proposal needs to have the following things: Scope of the Project Initial source from which the project is to be populated Identify the mailing lists if any to be created Identify the initial set of committers Questions that I can see (all fairly trivial): Should we create a separate dev and user mailing list? If not should we just have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list or a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list? Should we have a separate list for CVS commit messages? These generally go to the dev list which is good for oversight but it may be a bit much if it's a combined dev/user list. Should all the committers come across or just the currently active ones? I think this should be all of them, in which case - should we attempt to contact them and ask for their preference? I've currently taken the list from project.xml. What's a Jyve FAQ (we requested one in our initial proposal) and are we still using it? Has anyone noticed that our current proposal includes: "The initial committers on the Digester component shall be:..." (note Digester instead of HttpClient). I guess it's bad form to go back and change that now. Here's what I've come up with basically from just updating the current Proposal to be Jakarta level instead of Commons level. Thoughts, comments, criticisms and generally tearing all this to shreds would be appreciated. Regards, Adrian Sutton. --------- (0) RATIONALE HTTP is the main protocol used today on the internet. Although the JDK includes basic support for building HTTP-aware client applications, it doesn't provide the flexibility or ease of use needed for many projects. The current package in Jakarta-Commons is a widely used implementation with a strong community behind it. The size of it's community and it's project has significantly outgrown the commons project and a move to a Jakarta level project would provide better support for that community and for the on going development of HttpClient. (1) SCOPE The project shall create and maintain a Java library implementing the client side of the HTTP/1.1 protocol, as defined in RFC 2616 and RFC 2617. The package should: * Have an API which should be as simple to use as possible * Be as easy to extend as possible * Provide unconditional support for HTTP/1.1 The package is quite different from the HTTP client provided as part of the JDK (java.net.HttpURLConnection), as it focuses on the HTTP methods being sent (instead of making that transparent to the user), and generally allows more interaction with the lower level connection. The JDK client is also not very intuitive to use. The package is used by the Slide proejcct to build a WebDAV client library supporting WebDAV level 2. (1.5) Interaction With Other Packages HttpClient relies on: * Java Development Kit (Version 1.2 or later; 1.3 or later recommended) (2) INITIAL SOURCE OF THE PACKAGE The initial codebase exists as a sub-project of Jakarta-Commons, in the httpclient subdirectory of the jakarta-commons cvs tree. The proposed package name for the new sub-project is org.apache.httpclient. (3) REQUIRED JAKARTA RESOURCES * CVS Repository - New module, jakarta-httpclient in the CVS repository. * Initial Committers - The list is provided below. All of the proposed committers are currently jakarta-commons committers. * Mailing List - A new mailing list will be required: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both user and development discussions will take place on this list. * Bugzilla - New product category "HttpClient", with appropriate version identifiers as needed. Existing bugs in the HttpClient component under the Commons product category will need to be migrated. (4) INITIAL COMMITTERS The initial committers on the HttpClient component shall be: * Michael Becke * Jeff Dever * dIon Gillard * Ortwin Glück * Sung-Gu * Oleg Kalnichevski * Sean C. 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