On Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 10:27 AM Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Separate thread. I'm not sure which list is appropriate. > *... but not all the way to sentience > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uplift_War>.* > > The annual community wishlist survey (implemented by a small team, > possibly in isolation?) may not be the mechanism for prioritizing large > changes, but the latter also deserves a community-curated priority queue. > To complement the staff-maintained priorities in phab ~ > > For core challenges (like Commons stability and capacity), I'd be > surprised if the bottleneck were people or budget. > Currently there are zero people and no budget for multimedia, aside from whatever work I and others manage to get done here there. And I'm afraid I don't scale. It's Wikimedia Foundation's job to assign budget and people here. I've been hoping for years that this will happen, and continue to hope. -- brion We do need a shared understanding of what issues are most important and > most urgent, and how to solve them. For instance, a way to turn Amir's > recent email about the problem (and related phab tickets) into a family of > persistent, implementable specs and proposals and their articulated > obstacles. > > An issue tracker like phab is good for tracking the progress and > dependencies of agreed-upon tasks, but weak for discussing what is > important, what we know about it, how to address it. And weak for > discussing ecosystem-design issues that are important and need persistent > updating but don't have a simple checklist of steps. > > So where is the best current place to discuss scaling Commons, and all > that entails? Some examples from recent discussions (most from the wm-l > thread below): > - *Uploads*: Support for large file uploads / Keeping bulk upload tools > online > - *Video*: Debugging + rolling out the videojs > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T248418> player > - *Formats*: Adding support for CML > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T18491> and dozens of other > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297514> common high-demand file > formats > - *Thumbs*: Updating thumbor <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T216815> > and librsvg <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193352> > - *Search*: WCQS still <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297454> down > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297454>, noauth option > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T297995> wanted for tools > - *General*: Finish implementing redesign > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T28741> of the image table > > SJ > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 6:26 AM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I'm not debating your note. It is very valid that we lack proper support >> for multimedia stack. I myself wrote a detailed rant on how broken it is >> [1] but three notes: >> - Fixing something like this takes time, you need to assign the budget >> for it (which means it has to be done during the annual planning) and if >> gets approved, you need to start it with the fiscal year (meaning July >> 2022) and then hire (meaning, write JD, do recruitment, interview lots of >> people, get them hired) which can take from several months to years. Once >> they are hired, you need to onboard them and let them learn about our >> technical infrastructure which takes at least two good months. Software >> engineering is not magic, it takes time, blood and sweat. [2] >> - Making another team focus on multimedia requires changes in planning, >> budget, OKR, etc. etc. Are we sure moving the focus of teams is a good >> idea? Most teams are already focusing on vital parts of wikimedia and >> changing the focus will turn this into a whack-a-mole game where we fix >> multimedia but now we have critical issues in security or performance. >> - Voting Wishlist survey is a good band-aid in the meantime. To at least >> address the worst parts for now. >> >> I don't understand your point tbh, either you think it's a good idea to >> make requests for improvements in multimedia in the wishlist survey or you >> think it's not. If you think it's not, then it's offtopic to this thread. >> >> [1] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMPZHMXSLQJ6GONAVTFLDFFMPNJDVORS/ >> [2] There is a classic book in this topic called "The Mythical Man-month" >> >> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:41 AM Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> we have to vote for regular maintenance and support for >>> essential functions like uploading files which is the core mission of >>> Wikimedia Commons >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Commons-l mailing list -- commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to commons-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >
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