To all actors in this discussion I thought the PDWG chairs told us to abandon this but some who claim to be oldies in the community continue show disregard for constituted authority.
Now I push it back to the cochairs I want to see some barking and biting not empty threats of caution. Your directive has been violated. Whats the repercussion? On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > Once again, I apologize to the list for this off-topic disruption, but I > feel that I cannot leave this unanswered. > > No, discussing off topic matters on a public list is a practice of bad > actors in the community. > > Taking a private message and making it public is a practice of bad actors > in the community. > > Responding privately to an off-topic public email is the act of a. > responsible member of the community. > > Sadly, criticizing someone’s bad acts publicly is also generally not > preferable to doing so in private, but in this case, I believe you have > created a need to go public with my retort, so now you have it. > > Owen > > On Jul 14, 2021, at 04:08 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you Owen for the email, > > I do not appreciate private emails as the matter was published and is > being publicly discussed. > > This is a practice of bad actors in the community. > > Daniel > > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:56, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > >> Daniel, >> >> Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list. >> >> This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with >> things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region. >> >> There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on >> the ARIN AC. >> >> As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at >> various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs. >> >> I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients >> all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am >> often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions. >> >> I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, >> since I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will >> often work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community >> (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often >> advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally >> ideologically aligned with me. >> >> One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in >> agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of >> policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot >> simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their >> ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it >> is amended through the proper community process. >> >> AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities, >> financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both >> its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database. >> As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in >> an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues. >> >> Owen >> >> On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear Marcus, >> >> I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what >> is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very >> active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of >> freedom of expression. >> When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and >> flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of >> which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an >> Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been >> having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on >> the AC. >> >> Dear Owen, >> Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in >> the PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have >> question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet >> the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa. >> Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for >> your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have >> failed to solve which requires your expertise? >> >> Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC? >> >> Thanks >> Daniel >> >> >> ᐧ >> >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Owen and PDWG, >>> >>> I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have >>> session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care >>> for what happened at ARIN PDP through its AC and possible impact on our >>> PDP and related issues >>> >>> In response to the statement below, one would like to know why is Owen >>> talking about “ was not forced to resign”? Nobody said so AFAIK, how >>> come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now? >>> >>> And question for this community is how do we deal with conflict of >>> interest in our PDP? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss@afrinic.net >>> > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM >>> *To:* Arnaud AMELINA <ameln...@gmail.com> >>> *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; >>> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <r...@afrinic.net> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? >>> >>> Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the >>> unwarranted attention already paid to the >>> matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your indulgence. >>> This will (hopefully) be the >>> only post I make on the matter here. >>> >>> For clarity: >>> >>> 1. I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to >>> resign. I did not have to resign. >>> So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the >>> implications are offensive. >>> >>> 2. I chose to resign in order to have greater freedom and flexibility >>> to advocate for changes in the >>> internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of >>> interest with my role as >>> an Advisory Council member. While I have been outspoken by most >>> standards, the reality is >>> that my position on the AC did serve as a significant restraint to my >>> speech in many cases. >>> The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in >>> order to best serve the >>> community. >>> >>> Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and >>> further speculation is very >>> unlikely to produce any accurate conclusions. >>> >>> If anyone has questions about my resignation, they are free to ask me >>> directly, but this really is >>> not an appropriate topic for this list. >>> >>> Owen >>> >>> >>> On Jul 13, 2021, at 05:56 , Arnaud AMELINA <ameln...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> @Taiwo >>> >>> We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign >>> from his position at ARIN AC which serves in an advisory capacity to the >>> Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters. >>> >>> -- >>> Arnaud >>> >>> Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewand...@gmail.com> a >>> écrit : >>> >>> Benjilo. >>> How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic >>> community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters - >>> o...@delong.com - >>> >>> >>> On Jul 11, 2021, at 19:27, Paschal Ochang <pascos...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Great question Daniel. >>> >>> On Sunday, July 11, 2021, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists? >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC >>> PDP resigned from ARIN AC? >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/ point 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Paschal. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> RPD mailing list >>> r...@afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >> >> ᐧ > > > -- Kind regards, Paschal.
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