Bonjour chers membres de la communauté, Merci @Marcus pour le rappel, chers tous, c'est surprenant que quelqu'un qui est prompt à répondre avec un long message, à de simple remarques ou observation n'allant pas dans le sens de sa compréhension des textes d' Afrinic, soit jusqu' aujourd'hui aux abonnés absents, pour répondre à une simple question de M. John, le DG d'ARIN ? alors même qu'il réagit encore à d'autres messages, mais feint de ne pas réagir à celui de M. John. Que peut-on déduire de cette réaction ?? Aidez-moi à comprendre chers membres. Merci.
-- Arnaud Le ven. 13 août 2021 à 07:20, Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> a écrit : > Dear Owen, > > I would like to draw you attention to the fact that you have not yet > answer the questions in this email. Please, do justice to them; the > community needs the answers. > > > Marcus > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, July 16, 2021 3:06 PM > *To:* Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > *Cc:* community-discuss@afrinic.net <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; > AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <r...@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Hi again Owen, > > Let me then help you with some easy and praticable questions here so > that we close this case. > > Following your attachment to some recent developments between cloud > Innovation and AFRINIC, are you paid by cloud innovations or related > companies? Is your departure from arin ac anyhow related to this > relationship ? > > Hope this helps > > > > > Marcus > ------------------------------ > *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:54:26 PM > *To:* Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > *Cc:* community-discuss@afrinic.net <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; > AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <r...@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Hi Owen. > > Interesting that one must get a petition signed by 5 people for you to > response to a such easy inquiry. > > Your private mails did not say anything beyond what you publicly said and > which triggered my follow on points. > > As we all participate in Policy development as “ individual “ … one need > to know where are the possible or perceived conflicts of Interest coming > from and why it was not dealt with according to CoI policy > > What is seen as Conflict over there can also be a conflict here and best > practices call for these to be disclosed. > > > > > Marcus > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2021 12:08:32 AM > *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> > *Cc:* DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com>; AfriNIC Resource Policy > Discussion List <r...@afrinic.net>; community-discuss@afrinic.net < > community-discuss@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Once again, list, I apologize… > > I did not Bcc it to anyone. I did send it only to Daniel and to you. The > fact that you know I sent it to Daniel is proof that it was not a BCC and > that you apparently do not understand how email works. Please (re)read RFCs > 821, 822, and 1123. Try to understand them this time. > > As to why, because while you may be a huge fan of mine with a distorted > view of the importance of my actions to the entire community, the reality > is that this is a fairly mundane action I took in America regarding a > leadership position in an RIR that has no jurisdiction anywhere near Africa > and that it has no impact or effect on anyone in this community that I can > think of. In short it simply isn’t relevant and isn’t a valid subject for > this list. > > Please do tell what it is that you think is of interest to the community > here and what you believe you need to know that I have not already answered? > > It’s not that I’m trying to hide anything, it’s just that I am at a loss > to figure out what you are so interested in. > > If more than 5 people express interest in the answer to your question, > then I will answer it publicly. Otherwise, I will take it as an indication > that I am correct that it is off topic and uninteresting except to you and > respond privately. > > Owen > > > > On Jul 14, 2021, at 05:26 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > Why have you BCC me the email you sent to Daniel? Why can't you send your > response to the entire mailing list? Is there something hidden in this > private email and you would not want the others to know about? The point > being discuss is of interest and we need to know. > > Please let us be transparent and open to the PDWG. > > Thanks, > > > > Marcus > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:56 AM > *To:* DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com>; Marcus K. G. Adomey < > mado...@hotmail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Daniel, > > Responding in private since this is off-topic for the list. > > This really has nothing to do with the AFRNIC PDP and has to do with > things I want to be able to say and advocate for in the ARIN region. > > There is no conflict between my activities in AFRINIC PDP and my role on > the ARIN AC. > > As to my interest in the AFRINIC PDP, you should note that I’m also at > various times active in APNIC, LACNIC, RIPE, and ARIN PDPs. > > I make my living as a consultant and I have at various times had clients > all over the world and some clients with global networks. As a result, I am > often asked to pay attention to the PDP in those regions. > > I am also someone with a strong sense of community service. As such, since > I am obliged to monitor the process for my client(s) anyway, I will often > work towards what I perceive as the best interests of the community > (regardless of whether it is best for my client or not) and I will often > advocate as such. In general, I select clients who are generally > ideologically aligned with me. > > One exception is Cloud Innovation. While I am not ideologically 100% in > agreement with them and do not necessarily favor the current state of > policy which benefits them, I am even more concerned that the RIRs cannot > simply make up policy or randomly interpret policy to suit their > ideological goals and must, instead, follow the policy as written until it > is amended through the proper community process. > > AFRINIC has a long history of corruption, election irregularities, > financial misdeeds, and failure to properly follow its own rules in both > its governance process and in its management of the IP registry database. > As such, I have maintained a high level of interest in AFRINIC’s doings in > an effort to do what I can to help resolve those issues. > > Owen > > On Jul 14, 2021, at 03:38 , DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Marcus, > > I strongly agree, that there are policy updates from the other RIRs, what > is catching my interest at the moment is that Owen has been one of the very > active participants on PDP and I believe AFRINIC has a high level of > freedom of expression. > When he gives a reason that he wants to have greater freedom and > flexibility to advocate for changes in the internet community, some of > which would be considered a conflict of interest with his role as an > Advisory Council member. I begin to realise that Owen could have been > having a high conflict of interest which conflicted with his position on > the AC. > > Dear Owen, > Owen, kindly advise how we could deal with the Conflict of Interest in the > PDP as you state it clearly in your reason. Furthermore, I still have > question marks as to why the AFRINIC PDP is of high interest to you - yet > the Policies discussed are for the development of the Internet in Africa. > Is something wrong with the AFRINIC PDP that stimulates high interest for > your participation in AFRINIC Process that the Africa participants have > failed to solve which requires your expertise? > > Is ARIN more superior than AFRINIC? > > Thanks > Daniel > > > ᐧ > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 13:26, Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Dear Owen and PDWG, > > I don’t think this is an off-topic. There are reasons why we always have > session on “policy update from other RIRs” at every PPM…it’s like we care > for what happened at ARIN PDP through its AC and possible impact on our > PDP and related issues > > In response to the statement below, one would like to know why is Owen > talking about “ was not forced to resign”? Nobody said so AFAIK, how > come the position at ARIN constitute restraint to speech and why only now? > > And question for this community is how do we deal with conflict of > interest in our PDP? > > Thanks > > > > Marcus > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <community-discuss@afrinic.net> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:03:19 PM > *To:* Arnaud AMELINA <ameln...@gmail.com> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; > AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <r...@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] ARIN without Owen Delong ? > > Apologies to the list for this off-topic posting, but given the > unwarranted attention already paid to the > matter and the escalating level of speculation, I beg your indulgence. > This will (hopefully) be the > only post I make on the matter here. > > For clarity: > > 1. I chose to resign my position on the ARIN AC. I was not forced to > resign. I did not have to resign. > So your speculation is neither accurate, nor appropriate and the > implications are offensive. > > 2. I chose to resign in order to have greater freedom and flexibility to > advocate for changes in the > internet community, some of which would be considered a conflict of > interest with my role as > an Advisory Council member. While I have been outspoken by most standards, > the reality is > that my position on the AC did serve as a significant restraint to my > speech in many cases. > The time has come where I felt the need to remove that restraint in order > to best serve the > community. > > Reading anything other than the above into it would be a mistake and > further speculation is very > unlikely to produce any accurate conclusions. > > If anyone has questions about my resignation, they are free to ask me > directly, but this really is > not an appropriate topic for this list. > > Owen > > > On Jul 13, 2021, at 05:56 , Arnaud AMELINA <ameln...@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Taiwo > > We all would like to know why Owen, so active in our PDP, has to resign > from his position at ARIN AC which serves in an advisory capacity to the > Board of Trustees on Internet number resource policy and related matters. > > -- > Arnaud > > Le lun. 12 juil. 2021 à 12:37, Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewand...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > > Benjilo. > How is this of concern to you or to any of the members of the afrinic > community. Kindly direct your question to the appropriate quarters - > o...@delong.com - > > > On Jul 11, 2021, at 19:27, Paschal Ochang <pascos...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Great question Daniel. > > On Sunday, July 11, 2021, DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndann...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is this worth discussing on the rpd or mailing lists? > > On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 8:36 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <mado...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello > > Out of curiosity, does anyone know why Owen Delong active in AFRINIC PDP > resigned from ARIN AC? > > https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2021_0617/ point 10 > > > > Marcus > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > -- > Kind regards, > Paschal. > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > RPD mailing list > r...@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > RPD mailing list > r...@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd >
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