Jordi, Perhaps how about you stop confusing transparency with democracy.
Cheers, Noah On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 14:17 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss, < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > Hi Arnaud, > > > > As explained, in my opinion, the basis of the democracy is transparency. > You can’t trust a country being democratic if there is no transparency. > > > > We probably agree that after that trasparency, there are many other steps > to build democracy, and that’s the reason why there are many ways to score > the “democracy level” of different countries. My own country, Spain, is not > in the best position and I countinuously fight in courts with the > government and many instituions whenever I see anything is broken. > > > > But if the basis (transparency) is not there in something so simple as a > monopoly accusation … we have a problem and with that, what I’m calling is > the legal AFRINIC staff to consider making a call to the government to > change that, or otherwise, consider if there are other African countries > that will better satisfy the democracy levels that AFRINIC needs. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > El 18/2/22 22:37, "Arnaud AMELINA" <ameln...@gmail.com> escribió: > > > > Hi Jordi, > > > > What does democracy have to do with this? each country has its rules and > as others said, AFRINIC and its lawyers should look for ways of disclosing > their submission on this case. > > > > I do think Mauritius is more democratic than many countries on the > continent where you live… they just have some practices all may not like. > > > > -- > > Arnaud > > > > Le jeu. 17 févr. 2022 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss < > community-discuss@afrinic.net> a écrit : > > I fail to understand how is possible, that a resolution from a public > Competition Commission is not public, even redacting personal data if > needed. In normal democratic countries, as I know, all those cases are > published in their web site. > > AFRINIC legal staff must take care of that. > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > El 17/2/22 15:59, "Mike Silber" <silber.m...@gmail.com> escribió: > > Thanks Eddy > > There have been some interesting discussions on various lists > regarding this issue. > > To the extent that AFRINIC can share any of its submissions to the CCM > [which were obviously persuasive], this will be appreciated and could close > off any future discussion. > > Regards > > Mike > > > On 17 Feb 2022, at 13:27, AFRINIC Communication <co...@afrinic.net> > wrote: > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > An anonymous complaint was lodged against AFRINIC in September 2021 > at the Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") pertaining to alleged > anti-competitive conduct on the part of AFRINIC with respect to the > transfer of resources. > > > > The CCM had found no such restrictive business practice on the part > of AFRINIC within the meaning of the Competition Act 2007; and the inquiry > has been closed with no further action. This was documented in their letter > dated 22 December 2021, Unfortunately however, we cannot publicly share the > CCM’s letter. > > > > As a community driven membership based organisation, there are > committees, working groups and processes set in place to address any issues > that might need to be addressed. > > > > We shall continue to collaborate with all institutions, government > or otherwise, and continue to deliver on our functions as responsible > Regional Internet Registry. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Eddy Kayihura, > > Chief Executive Officer, > > African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) > > c...@afrinic.net > > > > ……………………………………….. > > > > Chers collègues, > > > > Une plainte anonyme a été déposée contre AFRINIC en septembre 2021 > auprès de la Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") concernant un > comportement anticoncurrentiel présumé de la part d'AFRINIC en matière de > transfert de ressources. > > > > La CCM n'a trouvé aucune pratique commerciale restrictive de la part > d'AFRINIC au sens de la loi sur la concurrence de 2007, et l'enquête a été > classée sans suite. Ceci a été documenté dans leur lettre datée du 22 > décembre 2021, mais nous ne pouvons malheureusement pas partager > publiquement la lettre de la CCM. > > > > En tant qu'organisation basée sur l'adhésion et dirigée par la > communauté, des comités, des groupes de travail et des processus ont été > mis en place pour répondre à toutes les questions qui pourraient être > abordées. > > > > Nous continuerons à collaborer avec toutes les institutions, > gouvernementales ou autres, et à remplir nos fonctions de Registre Internet > régional responsable. > > > > > > Cordialement, > > > > Eddy Kayihura, > > Directeur général, > > Centre africain d'information sur les réseaux (AFRINIC) > > c...@afrinic.net > > > > …………………………………………. > > > > زملائي الأعزاء، > > > > يسعدني أن أشارككم الحكم الصادر بالأمس ، 14 فبراير 2022 ، في قضية > الاستئناف المرجع Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network Information Center > (AfriNIC) Ltd. https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf > > > > تم رفع هذه القضية ردًا على خطاب أرسلته AFRINIC إلى Cloud Innovation > Limited بتاريخ 10 مارس 2021 وفقًا لأحكام اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل (RSA) حيث > أكدت AFRINIC أن Cloud Innovation Ltd كانت ولا تزال تنتهك RSA. > > > > ينبع هذا الاستئناف من طلب Cloud Innovation Limited للأمر المؤقت ، > والذي تم منحه في البداية لصالحها في 29 مارس 2021 ، ولكن بعد ذلك ألغاه > القاضي الموقر في الدوائر في 07 يوليو 2021. استأنفت Cloud Innovation Limited > ضد هذا الحكم ، و عُقدت جلسة الاستماع في 27 يناير 2022. > > > > لا شك أن هذا يعد معلمًا أساسيًا لـ AFRINIC ، ونود أن نشكر الفريق > وأصحاب المصلحة لدينا على دعمهم المستمر. > > > > وببساطة ، فإن دائرة الاستئناف في المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، بعد أن > نظرت في الحجج المقدمة من كلا الجانبين ، رفضت الاستئناف. بعبارة أخرى ، حازت > AFRINIC على هذا النداء. > > > > > > > > أطيب التحيات، > > > > > > إيدي كاييهورا ، > > الرئيس التنفيذى، > > المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC) > > c...@afrinic.net > > > > > > ……………………………………………… > > > > Caros Colegas, > > > > Tenho o prazer de partilhar convosco o julgamento mais esperado e > favorável para a AFRINIC proferido ontem, 14 de Fevereiro de 2022, no > processo de recurso ref Cloud Innovation Ltd contra African Network > Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd. > > https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf > > > > Recordará que este recurso decorre do pedido de injunção provisória > da Cloud Innovation Ltd, que foi inicialmente concedido a seu favor a 29 de > Março de 2021, mas depois anulado pelo Meritíssimo Juiz das Câmaras a 07 de > Julho de 2021. A Cloud Innovation Ltd tinha recorrido dessa sentença e a > audiência teve lugar a 27 de Janeiro de 2022. > > > > Simplificando, a Divisão de Apelação do Supremo Tribunal das > Maurícias, após ter considerado os argumentos de ambas as partes, indeferiu > o recurso. Por outras palavras, a AFRINIC ganhou o recurso. > > > > Para vossa informação, é relevante acrescentar que este caso tinha > começado na sequência da nossa carta datada de 10 de Março de 2021 emitida > à Cloud Innovation Ltd, em conformidade com as disposições do Acordo de > Serviço de Registo (RSA) segundo o qual a AFRINIC alegou que a Cloud > Innovation Ltd estava, e continua a estar, em violação do RSA. > > > > Sem dúvida, este é um marco importante para a AFRINIC e gostaríamos > de agradecer à equipa e às nossas partes interessadas pelo seu apoio > continuado. > > > > Por outro lado, aproveito também esta oportunidade para informar que > na sequência de uma queixa anónima apresentada contra a AFRINIC em Setembro > de 2021 na Comissão da Concorrência das Maurícias ("CCM") relativa a uma > alegada conduta anticoncorrencial por parte da AFRINIC no que diz respeito > à transferência de recursos, pode observar que a CCM, por carta datada de > 22 de Dezembro de 2021, não tinha encontrado tal prática comercial > restritiva por parte da AFRINIC na acepção da Lei da Concorrência de 2007; > e que o inquérito foi assim encerrado sem qualquer outra acção. > > > > Seja como for, continuaremos a colaborar com todas as instituições, > governo ou não, e continuaremos a cumprir as nossas funções como Registo > Regional da Internet responsável. > > > > Por razões óbvias de confidencialidade, não podemos partilhar uma > cópia da carta do CCM. 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