In message <CANOqSOQQVywAnMgHn=q8cnwvpwhro8oxzcj0+fedgbnelas...@mail.gmail.com> Amin Dayekh <ad...@megamore.ng> wrote:
>AfriNic acted according to the Bylaw and court, allow me here to refresh >your memory, if the ipv4 is not restricted to ise in Africa then why the >proposals for inter RIR transfer and Other proposals from the Meeting which >are available online? With respect to the various IP blocks that were reclaimed by AFRINIC due to the now evident fact that they were outright stolen, geography is rather entirely irrelevant to those blocks, I think. With respect to the various IP blocks that AFRINIC has attempted to reclaim from Cloud Innovation, I confess that I personally am still very much in the dark about the exact reasons for that action on AFRINIC's part. These matters have been under legal adjudication for some time now and as a result, as far as I personally am aware, AFRINIC has been rather entirely tight-lipped about the exact cause of its efforts to reclaim these blocks. If anyone else has some accurate and definitive information about this, I would be very happy to receive that. That all having been said, I think that in the absence of a specific statement of the matter from AFRINIC officials it would be a mistake to jump to the conclusion that AFRINIC has attempted to reclaim blocks from Cloud Innovation due to some considerations relating specifically to geography. Rather, it is my (perhaps imperfect) understanding that AFRINIC has attempted to reclaim blocks from Cloud Innovation due to the latter's failure to properly inform AFRINIC, as required under the terms of the RSA contract, of a change in the circumstances of usage of those blocks, relative to the justification(s) that were used to obtain those blocks originally. If that is correct, then the change(s) in question may or may not have related to the geographical location where the blocks were originally planned to be deployed and/or to the geographical location where they actually were, ultimately, deployed. I can easly envision that perhaps some other change in the nature of the usage, relative to the original justification, may also have taken place in this instance, and that this additional change may not have been duly reported to AFRINIC as required under the RSA contract. If so, that would be a reasonable basis for AFRINIC to terminate the contract, in my opinion. For example, if one wished, initially, to use a an IPv4 block for running proxies, e.g. to enable people to (illegally?) end run around the Great Firewall of China, then it is easy to understand why a great many individual IP addreses would be needed. On the other hand, if, at some time after the allocation was made, the registrant changed course and decided to use the allocated IP addresses for web hosting (where anyone can easily use a single IP address to host literally thousands of web sites) then this is, I think, a material change in the nature of the usage, and one which would both (a) oblige the registrant to notify AFRINC of the change in usage and it would be a change in usage which would also (b) effectively invalidate the original IP space justification. This all may have happened. I really just do not know. If it did happen, then none of this would involve or implicate geography in any way, thus rendering all debates about using IPs inside of Africa or outside of Africa rather entirely irrelevant, if not to say downright silly. It is certainly a hot topic of conversation as to whether or not registrants which be either permitted or encouraged to use their AFRINIC-supplied IP addresses outside of the region and/or to transfer them outside the region. I just don't want anyone to become confused or to improperly and incorrectly conflate the topic of geographical restrictions with the topic of what prompted AFRINIC to try to reclaim the blocks allocated to Cloud Innovation. It is NOT clear, to me at least, that there is any relationship at all between these two topics. Regards, rfg _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss