Salve Tomasz! On Sun, 04 Feb 2007, Tomasz Zielinski wrote:
> 2007/2/4, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >Don't get me wrong, I don't ask for making all better from the > >beginning - but on the longterm, it would be nice to promote > >OpenMoko/Neo1973 also with ecological criterias. > > "Average OpenMoko user takes a bath once a week. iPhone user takes a > shower twice a day! Buy Neo1974, save the Earth!" :-] Wow what a seriously answer. It seems that you haven'd used the link: > http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/toxics/electronics/copy-of-how-the-companies-line > Ok, when you are only interested in competing with iPhone - greenpeace is helping to seperate from Apple: > http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/greener-electronics-apple-rank-2.pdf > >No keyboard is a good design to be able to use it for > >a longer time :) > > You can still use phones made in 60's, are you sure touchscreen will > survive 40 years too? ;-) First I was comparing mobil phones, second, because the touchscreen has no mechanical parts, I think it is possible to produce this touchscreen in a way, that >> 80% are usable in 40 years. And making the case strong enough to be able to use the mobile outdoor and in the rain would help using the touchscreen in 40 years as well. But you are not seriously it makes a big differance if the devices are usable due crap keys or no softwareupgrade posibilities for 2 years, or if the Neo1973 will be used for 10 years. I was not kidding with a ecologicaly view on mobil phones, we can bring OpenMoko and the Neo1973 into seriously science - influence of OpenSoftware to reduce hardware cycles - it is absolutly unsmart to produce devices only for 1-2 year use. And your kidding replay let me thing that with OpenMoko it would be possibe to go one stepp further - recycling of old smartphones 1. refurbishment and selling them with OpenMoko 2. desodering ICs and recycling of SoCs, GSM ICs, displays and condensors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantalum "I don't think there is any other consumer electronic device that is generally replaced every 12 months." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6174422.stm Visit Nokia "Sustainable products": http://www.nokia.com/A4197011 And I think it is possible to find studies about the ecological footprint of mobil devices like: http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/108819806775545330 See: http://howgeen.blogspot.com/2006/12/mobile-phone-one-more-enemy-for-earth.html "In our mind, the mobile phone's not associated yet with the environmental, social or economic problems that it leads to. However, some figures are scary: nearly 30 kg of raw materials are necessary to manufacturate a device of about 100 grams! And in the world, one estimates that a billion devices are living!" [...] http://www.wwf.be/fr/index.cfm?group=news&menu=factsheets.cfm&page=factsheets/campaign/gsm-environment.cfm PC 764m^2 mobil phone 32m^2 http://www.weeeman.org/html/impact/footprint.html BTW the ieee has an IEEE 802.3 Energy Efficient Ethernet Study Group: http://www.ieee802.org/3/eee_study/ The more I think about ecolgical points with OpenMoko/Neo1973 as more I think it could be a good promoting argument. 1. OpenMoko/Neo1973 give the user the freedom to update and install new software - independent from the hardware producer or network provider. This gives a perspective to use the Neo1973 longer then any other smartphone with a fast changing market - mostly protocolls 2. The ecological footprint of a smart phone is much smaller than that of a PC or laptop - giving full Linux power to the Neo1973 it will reduce the need for a PC/Laptop That could be combined with avoiding toxical chemicals during producing, posibilities to repair devices and recycling ideas.... So I would not talk about to aim a livetime of 40 years, but what about sinicicant longer livetime (5-10 years) than normal smart phones? Green greetings, rob _______________________________________________ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community