-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, the point is that mail clients are tuned for text communication. Webbrowsers are tuned to present a page or application downloaded from a server.
Andreas Daniel Robinson wrote: > The fact that you are subscribed to 20 different mailing lists and you > would find it difficult to read all of that information on 20 different > forum UIs is your issue, and it is not the responsibility of this > community to address. > > To state, axiomatically, that mailing lists are more efficient is to > attempt proof by assertion. > > The goal is communication, not rightness. How is communication best served? > > --Dan > > On 7/24/07, *Andreas Kostyrka* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > No, it's just habits. And it's not about Engineers, it's about long time > email users. (I mean the generation before the invention of the "http > protocol". If one can consider HTTP 0.9 to be a protocol ;) ) > > And yes, email is important to these old timers. Mailing lists are quite > well standardized, there are less than half a dozen mailing list > management packages that matter, and even these have mostly the same > behaviour. I'm subscribed on more than 20 mailing lists (most of these > in the Linux/Python/PostgreSQL realm), that I follow more or less > depending upon work pressure. I can keep a tab on these mailing lists, > because they use a standard interface. > > Navigating 20 different "forums", is not feasible: > > -) I need to actively pull information. That's time I could be already > using to read messages. > > -) the UI of forums is really not uniform. I need to join, login > (depending upon the forum and my browser setting each time, every 2 > weeks, never), manage to find if new messages that might interest > me, ... > > -) the UI of mailing lists is my known standard mail client. > > You can see the difference, e.g. my wife participates in a forum based > cooking community. Notice: "relative newcomer" (less than a decade > Internet experience), 1 community (not dozens of mailing lists needed). > > Basically, mailing lists are more efficient. Not necessarily easy on > newbies. (And yes, efficient does not mean easy. Efficient is measured > in units like "transaction" per "time unit". And I can clearly "process" > (or decide not to "process") more messages per hour in my mailer than > with my browser) > > Andreas > > Daniel Robinson wrote: >> What is it about engineers that they act like any idea other than > theirs >> is not worthy of consideration? > >> I don't know any of you, and I am only responding to this email > because >> it is typical of the kind of traffic that has been going back and > forth >> about this issue. > >> Don't build your house on ice? This is typical of the dismissiveness >> with which people have responded about this issue. The straw man > being >> used here, that wanting one position or the other is as meritorious as >> building one's house on ice, is not valid. It smacks of > sanctimony and >> that should be avoided. > > > >> On 7/24/07, *Ted Lemon* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: > >> > Quite frankly I am completely, totally, >> > overwhelmingly baffled at the resistance to the > forums. Quite a few >> > people have expressed their dislikes of mailing lists and > how they >> were >> > *very* reluctant (like myself) to join. > >> Worrying about your email address being exposed is pretty silly. >> That's like worrying that the ice on a pond will break when it > melts in >> the spring and your house will fall in. Don't build your > house on >> ice. > >> As for forums, they are very nice for casual use. They are > terrible >> for staying in touch, unless you visit them obsessively. The > nice >> thing about a mailing list is that the mail keeps arriving in > your >> inbox, you see it go by, and you can pay attention or not as > you choose. >> And if you miss something, it's easy to go back and find it. > >> Forums aren't bad - they're just different. I think it would > be great >> if the casual traffic migrated to a forum. > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenMoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org > <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> > <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org > <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org>> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > <http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenMoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGpkKWHJdudm4KnO0RAqjNAKCbEWZgE6PjbENjaTsyKAE6718MHwCgmpR9 +h19YPeGfPux3n1p4ThyeBY= =H8Fy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community