Am 21.08.2007 um 12:46 schrieb Harald Welte:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
wrote:
Harald,
please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from
setting
up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time.
in fact that was the most fun part.
But just one question to answer for yourself: do you want to have
community involvement or not?
I am from the community ;) And not in my 10+ years of FOSS community
It didn't look like that...
development have I seen any project that had problems with properly
using mailinglists.
By deciding not to have a forum, you will loose some participants.
And those
who remain will have no problems. So, this argument is not a proof...
Forums are for people who don't understand the technology of properly
dealing with e-mails. Of what use is something that's only available
Well, I don't know how old you are but I did send my first e-mails
approx.
1984 and wrote my first UNIX programs at that time. Nevertheless I would
prefer a forum.
It is so easy to wipe away needs and requests from others by saying they
simply don't understand properly how to use it :-)
What would you do if you go into a shop where you want to buy a red t-
shirt
and the sales agent says that red is out and t-shirts are not good at
all and
that all those who want to buy a t-shirt simply don't understand why
polo
shirts are so much better?
online? Of no use at all. Try keeping a local copy of a forum on
your
I have never had a problem with not being online all the time.
laptop. Why should openmoko be any different?
For which purpose should I keep ***all*** these mails archived?
We will most likely have a forum for _end users_ at a time where we
want
to address end users. But not for developers, sorry.
That might be an unwise decision - but you are the decision taker :-)
Now as your network appears to work again, please focus on solving
kernel,
uboot, etc. issues that we as the "dumb users" can't solve ourselves.
I am for example still fighting the issue with short and long rootfs
flashing and NAND erasing, that leaves an inoperable OpenMoko device
If you consider yourself a "dumb user", then you probably are not the
kind of developer crowd that we are addressing at this moment :(
Looks a little like Freedom and Openness has limits?
Look - I have a device now for 2 weeks. I have >20 years experience in
software development and a certain goal to achieve with the OpenMoko.
So, how should I know everything the core team knows that works on the
device for now 10 months?
Compared to you, I am of course a "dumb user" who has to learn a
lot of aspects of the OpenMoko system. Especially the flashing process.
But that is IMHO no argument to criticise my requests and needs.
But I do not want to open a new fundamentalistic discussion.
Nikolaus
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