Bravo! Kosa
- Un mundo mejor es posible - David Samblas escribió: > When some body feels lost is because he doen't planned the trip enough, > before come in strange territory you must have maps and read about uses > and customs of the aboriginal and if the case earn enough of their > language to , when if all plans fail, ask where you are and how to go > any where. > > I'm a foreigner too, but when I feel lost I don't sit down and cry, I > search for a more actualiced guide or ask , aboriginals here are very > friendly, and even a lot of experienced foreigner are happy to help you > too. > > As you post in you blog you just arrive , you take a quick look to a > totally strange territory an you complain you feel lost and not > confortable in any place here, if like you there are other, instead of > keep this flamming post growing and growing ,get you hands dirty and > began to work, you haven't to be a high kernel hacker to help, you can > translate and/or review wiki, you can focus on a app and report even > stetical issues (as some one in the post has already suggest..), > > About FDOM you have a bad perspective, FDOM is posible because a lot of > people had been working to make OM2008.08, Illume, and a every app > inside FDOM, is posible because people has make public their tweakings > in the wiki or in this list, and even talk to me or in the devel list to > make suggestions and/or directly work. FDOM has began as a shared simply > backup of my own phone, and now is near to be the first distro that > will have their rootfs (bad) managed in a svn repository, yeah we put > the binaries and yes we know svn was thinked to manage source code, > but source code is not the business of FDOM right now, we are only > focused on pimping whatever OM has decide to be their base distro, if > they finally change to an FSO based distro I will be happy to pimping it > too, even If I have to redo all work from zeto. I have done it a lot of > times to test and to try to improve things. FDOM has not born for a > need, FDOM has been born thanks to all the work done before, including > the phone where it runs. > This is a public request to all those you like FDOM, If you like FDOM > then you like OM2008.X, FDOM=OM+things already done by others , > please stop comparation and using FDOM as weapon against itself. > > I will already ask to please, stop this post right now in the tone it > has began. > > And maybe I wrong and now i will post a personal opinion, You have your > own blog to post you opinions, you have appeared in planet, as you > already said people has post their opinions in your blog post,you have > said nothing new in this post than have not already said in you blog, > there was a need to do it? > > Thanks to all to make me, and colaboratos, able to make FDOM > > El sáb, 04-10-2008 a las 15:56 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa escribió: >> Hi! >> >> After my previous blog post [1] about Openmoko 2007.2 distribution and >> the Openmoko community I got some comments proving that like me, some >> other people feel that the community is lost and uninformed. This post >> is a follow up to the previous post and the comments I got. >> >> I've understood that 2007.2 still ships with the phones. As soon as >> one gets his new c00l Freerunner linux phone they need to flash the >> phone with a new distro (2008.x or Debian, FDOM, SHR, Gentoo, Qtopia, >> FSO.. [6]) since the software it ships with is obsolete. OK, so you >> get your 2008.x there and find that it doesn't really do all the magic >> and would like to report a bug. >> >> BUGS >> I don't know how others feel but I really don't feel like reporting >> bugs in the bug tracker [3]. OK, I'm running an unsupported distro >> (2007.2) so there's one reason but I also feel that it's okay to post >> kernel bugs only there, not anything that a normal user would see in >> his GUI. Is this correct or just a feeling or misunderstanding? >> Remember that all Freerunner owners and people here in the community >> are not kernel developers. I don't even know how to save back traces >> or hack the source code but I'm happy to report if something doesn't >> work and then when someone more skillful finds what's wrong and >> eventually fixes it, I'm again happy to try if the fix works for me. >> For some reason I feel that there's no space in the community for >> users like me. >> >> DISTROS >> So it's 2008.x now. No, wait.. there are FDOM [5] and SHR [2] around >> that are not far from 2008.x. Is 2007.2 still developed and lead by >> Openmoko or by the community? Do the community developers have access >> to the files so that new releases can be made or is SHR the closest to >> 2007.2 you can get to? My feeling is that there was a lack of >> information about why 2007.2 was forgotten and new 2008.x series was >> started and that something weird is happening in the official distros >> that creates a need for FDOM and SHR - why don't the developers feel >> ok to contribute directly to 2007.x and 2008.x but 'fork' their own >> distros? >> >> INFORMATION >> I think that what makes me feel lost is the lack of information about >> what's happening in the community. I don't know what's the development >> status of the software or what's the general direction the community >> and/or Openmoko is heading to? Having a better view on the general >> situation makes one feel much more comfortable and secure: now I feel >> that I just wait to see what the next release's like not being able to >> know what to wait for. >> >> NEXT STEPS >> People working at Openmoko and other software developers: >> >> * Please check 'Community Management as Open Source's Core >> Competency' by David Eaves [4] and have a good look at the the >> Openmoko community. It needs management! >> * Please write a blog post once a week or so to >> planet.openmoko.org and the community mailing list telling the >> community what's going on. Five to ten lines is enough to help the >> community feel better! >> * Please respect your community! >> >> Other community members: >> >> * How do you feel about the current situation? How happy are you >> with the community? >> * Do you feel well informed? Do you know what's the direction >> we're heading to? >> * How would you like to contribute? >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> ps. I posted this also in my blog: >> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-lost-openmoko-community/ >> >> >> r >> >> [1] http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/openmoko-20072-distros-and-community/ >> [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stable_Hybrid_Release >> [3] https://docs.openmoko.org/trac >> [4] >> http://eaves.ca/2006/12/17/community-management-as-open-sources-core-competency/ >> [5] >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FDOM_-_a_Fat_and_Dirty_OM_based_distribution >> [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community