"Oh, why can't we all just get along"?
---Rooster Cogburn
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Subject: [Community_garden] Accuracy in Answering Scholar Inquiries Requires
Reading the Original Question.
> To be accurate, the Clinton Community garden is on West 48th Street,
> between 9th & 10th avenues and is in Midtown Manhattan, and Clinton
> Street, is way downtown, on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, almost on
> the cusp of Chinatown. The Clinton Community garden is named after the
> last of the DeWitt Clinton family estate ( the steamboat guy's family,
> the revolutionary war general, the land on which DeWitt Clinton Park sits)
>
> To be accurate, the cartoon of which Mr. Boekelheide alludes, is Saul
> Steinberg's from the New Yorker, and shows West 57th Street and 9th
> Avenue, and looks Westwards towards the Hudson river, beyond which is the
> landmass of the USA, then on the horizon Asia. There is currently a very
> good show on Saul Steinberg's art, including that cover at the Museum of
> NY, directly across from Central Park's beautiful Conservatory Gardens, in
> large part rehabilitated by garden designer Linden Miller.
>
> Again to be accurate, Mr. Constable's query WAS actually to find out
> about NYC Community Gardens. Were the inquiry for "Community Gardens, "
> I would have most certainly sent him to the ACGA website, and not take the
> trouble of being so "NYC," specific.
>
> I shared my response with this list to see if there was anything else
> someone might have to help this scholar. And I'm very, very glad that Don
> added his vegetables to the "stone soup."
>
> But reading the original question is fundamental.
>
> N'est ce pas?
>
> Best wishes,
> Adam Honigman
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dboekelheide at yahoo.com
> To: community_garden at list.communitygarden.org
> Sent: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Scholar Inquiry
>
>
> Hi, James,
>
> In addition to Adam's very helpful suggestions, I'd
> add a couple more.
>
> My only minor quibble with Adam's list is that it
> reminds me of those 'maps of the world according to
> New Yorkers' that hawkers sell to tourists in Times
> Square, just a few blocks from Adam's garden on
> Clinton St. You know, the ones that show the Bronx and
> Brooklyn as huge and leave out most of the rest of the
> US and the world.
>
> Not that that perspective is totally distorted - New
> York has thousands of community gardens. By
> comparison, smaller cities, even those with wonderful
> programs such as Seattle, Portland, Oregon and
> Minneapolis, are lucky if they have more than 100
> each.
>
> Anyway, to Adam's list, I'd suggest:
>
> 25 Years of Community Gardening (ACGA, 2005), ISBN-13
> 978-1-59975-411-6. It's a collection of 'best'
> articles on a veriety of community gardening topics
> from the American Community Gardening Association
> magazine between 1980 and 2004. You can get it from
> ACGA or Amazon (US).
>
> The collection is OK, though space limitations meant
> leaving out some very good articles (including a
> couple of excellent essays by Adam), so looking for
> copies of ACGA's Journal of Community Gardening and
> Community Greening Review are well worth the effort.
>
> Of the Jobb book vintage is Mary Lee Coe's Growing
> With Community Gardening (Countryman Press, Vermont,
> 1978) ISBN 0-914378-36-8. Her book is less of a 'how
> to' than Jobb or Larry Sommer's The Community Garden
> Book (Gardens For All/National Gardening Association,
> Vermont, 1984), and has better historical notes.
>
> I like Patchwork, stories of gardens and community, by
> Jim Flint and Beret Halverson (Friends of Burlington
> Gardens, Vermont, 2005) ISBN 0-9713583-3-8, and A
> Patch of Eden, American's inner-city gardeners, by
> Patricia Hynes (Chelsea Green, Vermont, 1996) ISBN
> 0-930031-80-6 for stories from the garden.
>
> Good luck! Rumor has it that the upcoming edition of
> the Community Greening Review will be on community
> garden research, so you may want to watch for that
> later this year.
>
> Don Boekelheide
> Charlotte, NC
>
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:51:05 -0500
>> From: adam36055 at aol.com
>> Subject: [Community_garden] Scholar Inqury
>> To: community_garden at list.communitygarden.org,
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>> Cc: jrconstable44 at yahoo.co.uk
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>> Hello,
>> I am a student at Edinburgh University, Scotland and
>> am writting my dissertation at the
>> moment. I am researching community gardens in NYC
>> and the function that they have within
>> the community. I was wondering if anyone would mind
>> me asking them questions about the
>> topic?
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>>
>> James
>>
> ********************************************************************
>>
>> Dear James,
>>
>> About thirty years ago, there was a visiting scholar
>> from Edinburgh University, named Jack ( I never
>> learned his surname) who helped us move rubble in a
>> few Lower East Side garden sites, and tutored kids
>> in Math at a local church. If I recall, he was
>> studying something like macroeconomics at NYU. Who
>> knows, he might be an academic, a billionaire or a
>> multi-national arms trader today.
>>
>>
>> However, when we knew him, Jack was a great guy.
>> Consider this, please, as payback.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Adam Honigman
>> VP DeWitt Clinton Park Conservancy,
>> Gardener, Clinton Community Garden & Liz Christy
>> Gardens
>>
>> For your dissertation:
>>
>> 1) For starters, please feel free to contact Richard
>> Reynolds of the UK Guerrilla gardeners
>> -http://www.guerrillagardening.org/.
>> He did a number of interviews with NYC gardeners,
>> and while he might be using the stuff for a project
>> of his, I have no problem with you using the
>> transcript of the interview I gave him for his
>> archives - please ask him nicely, and give him
>> "props" as we say in NYC , in your dissertation.
>>
>>
>> 2) I would strongly suggest that you go to the
>> website of the American Community Gardening
>> Association (http://communitygarden.org/) and read
>> it with care. Please make yourself a strong pot of
>> tea (or other favorite caffeinated beverage) and
>> take the trouble to read every single page, to give
>> you a sense of how community gardening in Canada and
>> the United States is similar to, but differs, in
>> subtle ways from the European Allotment programmes.
>>
>> For the serious researcher:
>>
>> The community garden studies on this link page are
>> required reading:
>>
>> http://communitygarden.org/links.php#Studies
>>
>>
>> 3) Probably the best early book on Boston's
>> Community Gardens in the early years is by Boston
>> University's Sam Bass Warner, Jr's. "To Dwell is To
>> Garden", Boston, Northwestern University Press,
>> 1987, (ISBN: 1-55553-007-9)
>>
>> 4) The best written, one volume treatment of
>> community gardening remains,
>> Jobb, J. (1979). The Complete Book of Community
>> Gardening. New York:
>> William Morrow and Co. Every time I get the bug to
>> write one, I just pick
>> Jobb's book and realize that even after 23 years,
>> it's hard to beat for
>> historical context and down to earth, practical
>> advice. Because this book is
>> so good, it's usually missing from most public
>> libraries (i.e., "Steal this
>> Book!" ) I obtained my copy from Amazon.
>>
>> 5) Another fine cg book
>>
>> A Handbook of Community Gardening
>> By Boston Urban Gardeners - Edited By Susan Naimark
>> Charles Scribner's Sons - New York 1982
>> SB457.3.H26 635 81-23302
>>
>> ISBN 0-684-17466-9 AACR2
>>
>> 6) This is the Amazon link to "Grace from the Garden
>> : Changing the World One Garden at a Time" by Debra
>> Landwehr Engle which you must read, as it has
>> in-depth pieces on community gardens and the people
>> who make them happen from all over the USA. A Rodale
>> Publication, is in print.
>>
>>
> (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579546854/102-9894196-7707321?v=glance
>> )
>>
>> 7) Malve von Hassel's "The Struggle for Eden:
>> Community Gardens in New York" by Malve von Hassell,
>> Bergin & Garvey; Greenwood Publishing Group. 2002"
>> which was reviewed in a 2004 issue of "HortIdeas."
>> Von Hassell's other book, , "Homesteading in NYC,
>> 1978-1993: The Divided Heart of Loisaida" Bergin &
>> Garvey 1999 ISBN: 0-89789-651-3 provides a good
>> cultural background on the lower east side
>> neighborhood.
>>
>>
>> .You should be able to find both books at a good
>> University library or the Greenwood Publications
>> website http://www.greenwood.com , searching under
>> author.
>>
>> 8) Laura Lawson's "City Bountiful: A Century of
>> Community Gardening in America," University of
>> California Press, 2005, is an extraordinary overview
>> of community gardens in North America, and is
>> available through Amazon:
>>
>>
> http://www.amazon.com/City-Bountiful-Century-Community-Gardening/dp/0520243439/sr=1-4/qid=1169318712/ref=sr_1_4/102-9754614-9756132?ie=UTF8&s=books
>>
>>
>> 9) Some homework for anyone who wants to understand
>> how we can have 550 community gardens in NYC, on
>> some of the most overvalued real-estate in the
>> world.
>>
>> a) Here is the website of the NYC Dept of City
>> Planning ("NYDCP") which has a number of highly
>> valuable links. You may have to download Adobe
>> Acrobat to print sections that you want, but that
>> program is usually available free of charge (
>> http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dcp/home.html)
>>
>>
>> b) Here is the Web version of the Zoning Resolution
>> of the City of New York which includes all text
>> amendments approved by the City Council up to
>> September 25, 2002. Please note that there is an
>> interim period between the date when the City
>> Council adopts a text or mapping amendment to the
>> Zoning Resolution and the date that this web site is
>> updated. These are the "rules of baseball" and it's
>> best to make yourself a pot of tea and read. If it
>> makes your eyes glaze over, not to worry, it does
>> that to $500 an hour real estate attorneys. Low
>> rent volunteer
>>
> http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dcp/html/subcats/zoning.html
>>
>> c) This is Article IX: Special Purpose Districts,
>> Chapter
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