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Today's Topics:
1. 3 Tiered Worm Bin (Lydia Allen)
2. worms (Jon Rowley)
3. worms (he he) (a.h.steely)
4. Re: worms (he he) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
5. (no subject) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
6. Respect for Worms (Honigman, Adam)
7. Re: Worms (David Smead)
8. Worms in the ground ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
9. CG bylaws ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Lydia Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [cg] 3 Tiered Worm Bin
We have a 3 tiered bin, Can of Worms, and even when the third bin is all worm
castings I still find lots of worms there. I empty the third bin into a large
tupperware type container. As the top layer of the castings dries the worms
move down and I take off several inches a day. I mound up and loosen the
castings during this process. To speed-up things up I sometimes put a shop
light over the bin and, as you all know, the little critters don't like light.
I will try the mesh bag method. I use a lot of worm tea but am never sure what
proportion to use with water.
-Lydia Allen
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Can anyone tell me what is the best way to harvest the castings from =
worms. The last time I put the casting on a screen and as the worms =
came to the top I pulled them out and put them back in my worm bin. I =
have a three tier worm composter and the worms are supposed to move to =
the top as the fresh food is put in the top tiers. This does not =
happen. What do you worm keepers do?
Dianna in cold New Hampshire
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Another idea is to put the castings you want to harvest in a heap on a =
tarp. Do it outside in the sun or in your neck of the wooods with the =
weather you are having this can be done inside on a tarp under a light.. =
Worms don't like light. Wait a bit and skim off the top layer. Worms =
will descend. Wait a bit and skim off another layer from the top. =
Worms will descend. Wait a bit and skim off another layer and so on. =
Eventually you will end up with a squirming slithering bunch of worms =
next to the tarp. Put them back in the system. Good luck.
Jon Rowley
Interbay P-Patch
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Subject: [cg] worms (he he)
I love this list not just for the information but for the great laughs I
get!!! Wormkeepers, hum, we bought bee keeping gear but now I have to buy a
worm suit maybe?
I know that it is serious business but think about others reading what we
love to do... garden.
Sincerely,
Helen Steely
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I agree, Helen - some of us, some of the time, sound like we have pretty
funny loves.... Laurie T
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Dianna,
Most of the small growers use Lydia's method of using light. You end up with
a ball of worms at the bottom of the pile of castings. It is important to
remember that the castings still have a lot of egg cases and you want to
water and feed the castings for at least another month to get the hatchlings.
Plans for a can top screener can be found here-
<A HREF="http://www.mastercomposter.com/equip/sifters.html";>Compost Equipment:
Sifters</A> (check out Franks)
plans for a home made wheel barrow jet worm screener are here, perhaps on the
second or third 'next page'-
<A HREF="http://community-2.webtv.net/Yardworms/VermiGardens/";>Vermi
Gardens</A>
If you have a COW or the like, there is excellent information and a forum
here-
<A HREF="http://www.happydranch.com/";>Happy D Ranch</A>
a great information site and a very active forum on vermiculture is here-
<A HREF="http://www.wormdigest.org/";>Worm Digest</A>
Kelly Slocum, a vermiculture researchist, has written a basic vermiculture
primer that I have on my hard drive. She has graciously allowed me to use it
in lectures and share. It is, however, 21 pages long and PDF. I will gladly
e-mail it to you or anyone else on this list if you write me off list.
All the Best,
John Herndon
Village Green Community Garden
Norman, Oklahoma
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LANG="0">Dianna,<BR>
Most of the small growers use Lydia's method of using light. You end up
with a ball of worms at the bottom of the pile of castings. It is
important to remember that the castings still have a lot of egg cases and you
want to water and feed the castings for at least another month to get the
hatchlings.<BR>
Plans for a can top screener can be found here-<BR>
<A HREF="http://www.mastercomposter.com/equip/sifters.html";>Compost Equipment:
Sifters</A> (check out Franks)<BR>
plans for a home made wheel barrow jet worm screener are here, perhaps on the
second or third 'next page'- <BR>
<A HREF="http://community-2.webtv.net/Yardworms/VermiGardens/";>Vermi
Gardens</A> <BR>
If you have a COW or the like, there is excellent information and a forum
here-<BR>
<A HREF="http://www.happydranch.com/";>Happy D Ranch</A> <BR>
a great information site and a very active forum on vermiculture is here-<BR>
<A HREF="http://www.wormdigest.org/";>Worm Digest</A> <BR>
Kelly Slocum, a vermiculture researchist, has written a basic vermiculture
primer that I have on my hard drive. She has graciously allowed me to use it in
lectures and share. It is, however, 21 pages long and PDF. I will
gladly e-mail it to you or anyone else on this list if you write me off
list. <BR>
All the Best,<BR>
John Herndon<BR>
Village Green Community Garden<BR>
Norman, Oklahoma<BR>
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Subject: [cg] Respect for Worms
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>From middle aged gardener guy's perspective, what's better than a NYC garden
full of worms? While I'm at work, watching the Superbowl, sleeping, paying
bills, at a concert, making dinner, on the subway, or engaging in myriad
quotidian activities, these primeval little beasts are aerating and
enriching the compost bins and soil of our garden in ways that are truly
miraculous.
In the spring, when I clear off the some of the mulch from my raised bed and
start to plant, the work that the worms have done and continue to do always
amazes. When conscious gardener doesn't love a worm...and when they get a
veggie or an apple, well that's because we didn't pick it fast enough.
If you continue to use compost, and intelligently and organically amend your
soil, digging with care, gently returning the worms you inadvertantly dig
up to their home, you're in step with the universe and the natural order of
things.
A story: President and gentleman farmer Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood
this, profoundly. He left instructions that he be buried in a coffin with
a missing side, in order that he be become one with his beloved rose garden
all the sooner. The next time you get up to Hyde Park, look at the
roses...they're filled with Roosevelt's essence - literally.
Blessed worms.
Happy weekend,
Adam Honigman
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Subject: Re: [cg] worms (he he)
I agree, Helen - some of us, some of the time, sound like we have pretty
funny loves.... Laurie T
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class=751573922-17012003>From middle aged gardener guy's perspective,
what's better than a NYC garden full of worms? While I'm at work, watching the
Superbowl, sleeping, paying bills, at a concert, making dinner, on the subway,
or engaging in myriad quotidian activities, these primeval little beasts are
aerating and enriching the compost bins and soil of our garden in ways that are
truly miraculous. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751573922-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751573922-17012003>In
the
spring, when I clear off the some of the mulch from my raised bed and
start
to plant, the work that the worms have done and continue to do always amazes.
When conscious gardener doesn't love a worm...and when they get a veggie or an
apple, well that's because we didn't pick it fast enough. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751573922-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751573922-17012003>If
you
continue to use compost, and intelligently and organically amend your
soil, digging with care, gently returning the worms you
inadvertantly dig up to their home, you're in step with the universe and
the natural order of things. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751573922-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751573922-17012003>A
story: President and gentleman farmer Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood
this, profoundly. He left instructions that he be buried in a
coffin
with a missing side, in order that he be become one with his beloved rose
garden
all the sooner. The next time you get up to Hyde Park, look at the
roses...they're filled with Roosevelt's essence - literally.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751573922-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751573922-17012003>Blessed worms. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751573922-17012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751573922-17012003>Happy
weekend,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751573922-17012003>Adam
Honigman</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:59:13 -0800 (PST)
From: David Smead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [cg] Worms
I've operated worm boxes for about 8 years now with mostly great results.
Because we collect all the fruit skins, etc., for our small company, the
biggest problem is usually having too much feed material. And I got a
little tired of harvesting because of the wait period to let light drive
the worms down. I think also that wood boxes which are used too long as
worm bins may end up harboring diseases because there seemed to be fewer
and fewer worms each year a given box was used.
Then one day, a friend offered me some sturdy stainless steel wire mesh on
a 3/8 inch grid. A light bulb went off. I welded up a stainless framework
which is 2 feet wide by 3 feet long and about 18 inches high, and welded
the SS mesh into the frame. A simple, unpainted plywood lid graces the
top of my `worm cage'.
The cage is buried in my garden with the lid at ground level. About 2/3
of it is used to dump in the feed. After a few weeks I scrap off the top
of that into the remaining 1/3, and scoop out all the composted material,
worms and all, distributing it around the garden.
It does take up some garden space, but it seems to break down the food
quicker, and since the worms are free to come and go from their `cage', it
may be more disease resistant than a self-contained worm box. The cage can
be moved periodically, of course.
There are probably some plastic mattes or maybe boxes that would work just
as well. You just need a grid small enough to keep out the rodents and a
framework sturdy enough to hold the walls upright.
Now, does anyone know how I can radio tag worms? I'd like to know how far
away I can dump them and have them migrate back to the worm cage. It
would also be interesting how far from the cage the worms migrate and what
type of food attracts or repels them. Better yet, does anyone have a
source of money which can be used to study these earthy issues?
Long live the worms!
--
Sincerely,
David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Honigman, Adam wrote:
> >From middle aged gardener guy's perspective, what's better than a NYC garden
> full of worms? While I'm at work, watching the Superbowl, sleeping, paying
> bills, at a concert, making dinner, on the subway, or engaging in myriad
> quotidian activities, these primeval little beasts are aerating and
> enriching the compost bins and soil of our garden in ways that are truly
> miraculous.
>
> In the spring, when I clear off the some of the mulch from my raised bed and
> start to plant, the work that the worms have done and continue to do always
> amazes. When conscious gardener doesn't love a worm...and when they get a
> veggie or an apple, well that's because we didn't pick it fast enough.
>
> If you continue to use compost, and intelligently and organically amend your
> soil, digging with care, gently returning the worms you inadvertantly dig
> up to their home, you're in step with the universe and the natural order of
> things.
>
> A story: President and gentleman farmer Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood
> this, profoundly. He left instructions that he be buried in a coffin with
> a missing side, in order that he be become one with his beloved rose garden
> all the sooner. The next time you get up to Hyde Park, look at the
> roses...they're filled with Roosevelt's essence - literally.
>
> Blessed worms.
>
> Happy weekend,
> Adam Honigman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [cg] worms (he he)
>
>
> I agree, Helen - some of us, some of the time, sound like we have pretty
> funny loves.... Laurie T
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:37:05 EST
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Subject: [cg] Worms in the ground
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So it sounds like the worms are surviving thru cold winters in the ground,
that as long as there is a prepared bed and food they will hang around and
they won't freeze or die being outside. Am I getting this right? Laurie
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LANG="0">So it sounds like the worms <I>are</I> surviving thru cold winters in
the ground, that as long as there is a prepared bed and food they will hang
around and they won't freeze or die being outside. Am I getting this
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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:41:53 EST
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Subject: [cg] CG bylaws
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Hi All,=20
Elk Grove CG is working on our bylaws again, this time for realsies.=20
My guy Larry Boese who is researching this says only one CG lists their=20
bylaws on website, Clinton CG. Does anyone else have some they'd care to=20
share? We do plan on posting ours to our website when they are completed and=
=20
adopted.=20
Hey, we also lifted a wonderful slogan,=20
Nurturing community ~ Empowering people ~ Growing good food
but cannot remember who to give credit for this defining line. Anyone know?=20
We need to officially ask permission to use it.=20
Thanks for your help. --Soleil
Elk Grove Community Garden
www.geocities.com/egcgonline/ Coordinator Soleil Tranquilli=20
(916) 685-8010
=E2=80=9CIn our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decis=
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LANG=3D"0">Hi All, <BR>
<BR>
Elk Grove CG is working on our bylaws a=
gain, this time for realsies. My guy Larry Boese who is researching this say=
s only one CG lists their bylaws on website, Clinton CG. Does anyone else ha=
ve some they'd care to share? We do plan on posting ours to our website when=
they are completed and adopted. <BR>
<BR>
Hey, we also lifted a wonderful slogan, <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#006868" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Century Gothic" LANG=3D"0">Nurturing community=
~ Empowering people ~ Growing good food<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">but cannot remember who to g=
ive credit for this defining line. Anyone know? We need to officially ask pe=
rmission to use it. <BR>
<BR>
Thanks for your help. --Soleil<BR>
<BR>
<P ALIGN=3DCENTER></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#006868" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
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ve Community Garden</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
www.geocities.com/egcgonline/  =
; Coordinator Soleil Tranquilli (916) 68=
5-8010<BR>
<BR>
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on the next seven generations.=E2=80=9D --Great Law of the Iroquoise Confede=
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John,
Thanks for the info re worm eggs. Three is always something new to learn or to
consider. Thannk goodness.
Lydia
577 Foundation
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