Giving the devil his or her due - in this case Starbucks, I actually went in and had a cup of coffee at one, "shudder", this morning. If you look at the bags of coffee they sell to take home, you can buy Starbucks in second party certified "organic shade grown" and "fair trade" bags, at least in NYC.
I kid you not. Check to see if they have them at an outlet near you. If not, ask for them. If there is a market, capitalism will supply, at a price. It seems like all of those campus protests have paid off with this company. Are they perfect? Nope. But neither is the mom and pop or bodega that raises prices the week before the checks come in. Mind you, I'd rather deal with a mom and pop, but if a big guy happens to behave and act responsibly, then why not? Coffee grounds make nice compost. Now to find a pair of sneakers that wasn't made in a sweatshop. Anyone on this list know of any? The only American made non-sweat sneakers I know of are Converse Chuck Taylors. Best wishes, Adam Honigman -----Original Message----- From: Julie Samuels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:21 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [cg] Starbucks In using the coffee grounds from Starbucks keep in mind that they do not use organically/shade- grown coffee exclusively and I do not believe that they purchase from fair trade organizations. Then, there is always the issue of allowing corporate giants to create an aura of goodness by giving them an outlet to do almost-the-right-thing with one hand and create havoc with the other. We are fighting the corporate takeover of our near-in Chicago Suburb shopping districts. We go instead to our small locally owned businesses and work out arrangements for mutual benefit. You might be surprised how the mom and pops will be willing to help in return for helping them market their business/product. One of our small stores is giving us a 5% day for each buying customer we bring into her store. Julie Samuels, GreenNet Chicago -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #1301 - 4 msgs Send community_garden mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of community_garden digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Governor Locke (a.h.steely) 2. RE: Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks (Honigman, Adam) 3. Re: CAUTION - Free Compostable Coffee (Lekoma Akate) 4. RE:Starbucks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "a.h.steely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:05:04 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [cg] Governor Locke Yes!! I was impressed and managed to stay awake while listening to Locke. Maybe the Democrats will get smart and put up a young man like him for president instead of the old farts that are older than me! (age 55) I met Squanto and learned to plant the 3 sisters with a fish under the hill back when the Mayflower sailed into Plymouth. Democrats should not try to rival the Republicans for ancient presidential candidates. We need the return of the Victory Garden. Lots of my young neighbors are in fear of losing their homes and don't get it, i.e., the grass should be turned under and the lawn planted in food for their kids. Maybe you could suggest that idea to Gov. Locke. Sincerely, Helen Steely Hbg., Pa. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Honigman, Adam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:32:01 -0500 boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7EE.9F81E830" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7EE.9F81E830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK - On Issues of Gentrification and Large Corporations Knocking Out Mom and Pop Stores. I got you on this, and walk the walk on mom & pop store preservation in my neighborhood with my work as a member of Clinton Land Use and Zoning Committee of Manhattan Community Board 4. This is a very hard thing to do in local neighborhoods when landlords want to get as much rent as they can for commericial properties. And yes, it is a matter of demand for goods and services that drives this. Now, as someone who has helped preserve a local green market through politics ( yeah I do that too - doesn't make me a good person, though) and a tented low income market called Stiles right next to the Radio City Station Post Office ( yeah the one you hear about on late night TV)I can tell you that it's a constant fight. And when a Cosco big box store was sited for our neighborhood, I did the legwork and lined up political oppositionon that one too. Got a 80% market rent -20% affordable rent high rise with a supermarket going into that space, so that's a mixed blessing. The auxilliary space behind the building will be a "keyed, neighborhood volunteer green space" - bureaucratese for a 2,500 sq foot community garden. But you can't be pure when you're dealing with the real world and you want to get good things done. Not ends justifying the means, just best possible outcome considering the way the ground lays. Do I want moms and pops to survive in urban areas? Yes I do, and I like to shop small. However, in the real world you have to deal with everybody. You make lemonade from lemons. Now, I have no problems with dealing with a big guy, if he acts ethically - and I won't buy from a mom and pop that puts it's thumb on the scale or sells something untoward under the counter. Let's get compost from whomever we can and if a large corporation wants to do the right thing, why not? There are people, just like ourselves, and more than a few that work for them are community gardeners... We need a large tent. Best wishes, Adam Hongman But... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks The point is, Adam, some people do not want to buy products from the"big guys" who actively put the masses of small mom & pop, sis & brother businesses out of business. That's all. Take the grounds. Get your coffee elsewhere - if you care about that sort of thing. Laurie, Chicago ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7EE.9F81E830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.3103.1000" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>OK - On Issues of Gentrification and Large Corporations Knocking Out Mom and Pop Stores. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>I got you on this, and walk the walk on mom & pop store preservation in my neighborhood with my work as a member of Clinton Land Use and Zoning Committee of Manhattan Community Board 4. This is a very hard thing to do in local neighborhoods when landlords want to get as much rent as they can for commericial properties. And yes, it is a matter of demand for goods and services that drives this. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Now, as someone who has helped preserve a local green market through politics ( yeah I do that too - doesn't make me a good person, though) and a tented low income market called Stiles right next to the Radio City Station Post Office ( yeah the one you hear about on late night TV)I can tell you that it's a constant fight. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>And when a Cosco big box store was sited for our neighborhood, I did the legwork and lined up political oppositionon that one too. Got a 80% market rent -20% affordable rent high rise with a supermarket going into that space, so that's a mixed blessing. The auxilliary space behind the building will be a "keyed, neighborhood volunteer green space" - bureaucratese for a 2,500 sq foot community garden. But you can't be pure when you're dealing with the real world and you want to get good things done. Not ends justifying the means, just best possible outcome considering the way the ground lays. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Do I want moms and pops to survive in urban areas? Yes I do, and I like to shop small. However, in the real world you have to deal with everybody. You make lemonade from lemons. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Now, I have no problems with dealing with a big guy, if he acts ethically - and I won't buy from a mom and pop that puts it's thumb on the scale or sells something untoward under the counter. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Let's get compost from whomever we can and if a large corporation wants to do the right thing, why not? There are people, just like ourselves, and more than a few that work for them are community gardeners... We need a large tent.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Best wishes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>Adam Hongman</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=313241223-29012003>But...</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [cg] Free Compostable Coffee Grounds from Starbucks<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>The point is, Adam, some people do not want to <U>buy products </U>from the"big guys" who actively put the masses of small mom & pop, sis & brother businesses out of business. That's all. Take the grounds. Get your coffee elsewhere - <I>if </I>you care about that sort of thing. Laurie, Chicago<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C7EE.9F81E830-- --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:34:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [cg] CAUTION - Free Compostable Coffee From: Lekoma Akate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Verin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "CG List (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3126717289_7092345_MIME_Part" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3126717289_7092345_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Right on, John. Like your quote. Let's make compost with Love, it is only right. Love, Lekoma As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." "A garden, where one may enter in and forget the whole world, cannot be made in a week, nor a month, nor a year; it must be planned for, waited for and loved into being." Chinese Proverb --MS_Mac_OE_3126717289_7092345_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [cg] CAUTION - Free Compostable Coffee</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE>Right on, John. Like your quote. Let's make compost= with Love, it is only right. Love, Lekoma<BR> <BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2">As we are liberated from our own fear,= <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"2">our presenc= e automatically liberates others."<BR> <BR> </FONT></FONT>"A garden, where one may enter in and forget the whole w= orld, cannot be made<BR> in a week, nor a month, nor a year; it must be planned for, waited for and<= BR> loved into being." Chinese Proverb=20 </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3126717289_7092345_MIME_Part-- --__--__-- Message: 4 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:09:56 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [cg] RE:Starbucks --part1_144.913c448.2b6a0da4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends, Starbucks has a program you should know about. Here in Oklahoma City they sponsor work days at Community Gardens and pay $10 an hour for every volunteer that shows up, including their own employees whom they encourage to attend. Work days here are 3 to 5 hours long and once a month. The funds go to the Community Garden fund at said garden in the form of a check. This is a national program. Contact you local Starbucks and get on the wagon! Despite the Community Garden program having been temporally sabotaged here by politics and greed, several of the gardens are using this program to great benefit. Peace, John Herndon Village Green Community Garden Norman, Oklahoma --part1_144.913c448.2b6a0da4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Friends,<BR> Starbucks has a program you should know about. Here in Oklahoma City they sponsor work days at Community Gardens and pay $10 an hour for every volunteer that shows up, including their own employees whom they encourage to attend. Work days here are 3 to 5 hours long and once a month. The funds go to the Community Garden fund at said garden in the form of a check. This is a national program. Contact you local Starbucks and get on the wagon! <BR> Despite the Community Garden program having been temporally sabotaged here by politics and greed, several of the gardens are using this program to great benefit.<BR> Peace,<BR> John Herndon<BR> Village Green Community Garden<BR> Norman, Oklahoma <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_144.913c448.2b6a0da4_boundary-- --__--__-- ______________________________________________________ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden End of community_garden Digest ______________________________________________________ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. 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