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> From: William Hohauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: August 22, 2006 12:14:35 AM EDT
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [cg] Fwd: Sharing other garden news - thx for keep 'em  
> coming
>
> Yup, that's a lot of articles suddenly. A good sign for the  
> community garden movement. Each one of these articles might have a  
> nugget of priceless info that a garden might need for it's  
> survival, so why the problem? It's easy to skip them or read them  
> or delete them.
>
> Don't blame the mailman for the mail. Especially if it's a  
> volunteer mailman whose extra effort benefits the entire community  
> garden movement.
>
> William Hohauser
> Sixth Street and Avenue B Garden
> New York city
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2006, at 11:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:16 AM
>> Subject: RE: Sharing other garden news - thx for keep 'em coming
>>
>>
>> Don:  Adam, as always, is on target.  I join his ranks in supporting
>> your sharing news from other gardens.  I particularly appreciate your
>> sending the whole article rather than the URL.  I can scan every
>> article, flag those that I need, file the others to search later.  If
>> you send URLs, it slows down my perusing and encumbers later  
>> searches.
>> Thank you, and keep on sending the whole news (~: B
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 8:32 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'
>>
>>  Lookit - Don,
>>
>> You've made the assumption that people who subscribe to a community
>> garden list-serv are interested in reading about community gardens.
>>
>> Some are. Many would like to be. Many are lurkers and feel guilty  
>> when
>> they don't read the content.
>>
>> There are some who have reading disabilities, got into gardening  
>> because
>> they are "differently abled," and find having all this material to  
>> read
>> on community gardening onorous.  They would prefer pictures - so  
>> would
>> I, but we don't have the money or resources to do this.
>>
>>
>> Others, the complainers, the passive-aggressives, feel the need to  
>> whine
>> about "all of that content," instead of clicking the "delete key,"  
>> when
>> the flow becomes too heavy, or they are tired, or want to watch
>> "American Idol," re-runs, or the "news flash," on the latest  
>> kiddie porn
>> sex scandal.
>>
>> FOR THOSE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS: THIS ACGA LIST SERV IS A FREE
>> SERVICE RUN BY VOLUNTEERS.
>>
>> IF YOU WERE TO COUNT NOSES,  MOST OF THE SUBSCRIBERS ARE NOT ACGA
>> MEMBERS.
>>
>> I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF THE WHINERS, IN SPECIFIC, HAVE EVER BEEN DUES
>> PAYING ACGA MEMBERS OR PLAN TO BE. THEY JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN.
>>
>> The people who care about community gardens are really grateful  
>> for the
>> content, to read about what is going on in places like our own, in
>> places where we have never been.  We are looking for new ways to  
>> build
>> membership, deal with compost, deal with vandalism, create community,
>> save our gardens, the best way to espalier pears in a small space  
>> - the
>> whole works.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for what you do, Don,
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Adam Honigman
>> NYC Community Gardener
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:06 AM
>> Subject: [cg] List as 'news service' as well as 'forum'
>>
>>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I'm sympathetic to recent comments that I'm posting
>> too many articles about community gardening. This list
>> didn't feature that many before (though some were
>> posted from time to time, mostly from New York - no
>> conspiracy, just some wide-awake people in NYC, and a
>> lot of community gardens, over 1000 of them).
>>
>> I'm doubly sympathetic since I'm personally most
>> interested in the technical growing and design
>> questions of community gardening and gardening in
>> general.
>>
>> That said, why have I been forwarding these stories?
>> Well, I decided to pass along articles about community
>> gardens around North America from the media for
>> severa; reasons - first, other folks often have great
>> ideas I haven't thought of and I wanted to share them
>> widely; second, we need to support one another and
>> can't do it without knowing what each other is doing
>> (and skilled reporters are often very good at telling
>> stories, which saves us time); three. in terms of
>> sustainability amd grant writing, it is very helpful
>> to know what's 'hot' in community gardening, and
>> what's not (in terms of gardens that find themselves
>> fighting to survive). I guess I also wanted to help
>> sing the praises of successful gardens and gardeners.
>>
>> I confess that the delete key is also a factor - if
>> you don't like it, delete it. But, I know, I myself
>> don't always read lists with 'too much information'
>> even when they are 'good for me' (for instance, on
>> some nights, even the list covering events in my Peace
>> Corps country, Togo).
>>
>> When I forwarded fewer articles, there wasn't so much
>> of a problem - but admittedly recently there have been
>> a lot of articles showing up. Since it takes more time
>> for me to write or edit a digested version, and since
>> this is all informal, I've just been sending them on
>> as they appear.
>>
>> How about we do this - as a list community, let's
>> decide if it makes sense to share these kinds of
>> articles on this list. If the general consensus is no,
>> end of story, I won't keep posting. If it is yes,
>> maybe I can try to be more selective, and for most
>> items just post the URL so folks can go visit it if
>> they choose, sending full text only for items that
>> really catch my eye (of course, you all are free to
>> pass on articles too, as well as your questions and
>> pearls of garden and community building wisdom).
>>
>> Since we have a fall garden season here in the
>> Southern Piedmont (best time for all brassicas, root
>> crops, lettuce...), I don't mind not sending articles.
>> I can use all the time I can get out in the garden.
>> But I don't mind doing it, either - what do we all
>> think?
>>
>> Good gardening,
>>
>> Don Boekelheide
>> Urban Ministry Center Community Garden
>> Charlotte, NC
>>
>>
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