None of us can solve every problem for every person. But we can all do something for a few. I for one really enjoy teaching people to "fish". There is a spark in the spirit of every human being that wants to be self sufficient and fanning that spark is very satisfying. In many that spark will ignite a flame that allows a person to become much less dependent on others. They regain their sense of self worth and become much more than they were before. A few will complete the circle by returning to teach others to fish as well. You can't go wrong by helping others to help themselves. Phil Harrisburg Community Garden Augusta, GA
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Community_garden Digest, Vol 628, Issue 5 Send Community_garden mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Community_garden digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) (Gibes, Julie) 2. Re: Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) (Paul Buechler) 3. Re: San Francisco Community Garden/Slow Food Nation (angie) 4. Re: san fran victory garden borders (Bill Goedecke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:11:18 -0600 From: "Gibes, Julie" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) To: "Steven Garrett" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Steve, To answer your three points: 1. You can teach no bake cooking and/or campfire methods, food safety and security. 2. You can teach container gardening that can be done anywhere. 3. You can always show someone what value is when shopping, bartering or trading. Not everyone shops at supermarkets. Respectfully, Julie Gibes ps I just signed up for this email list serve two days ago and frankly I was taken aback from some of the verbal exchanges. I guess I do not have to watch my soap opera anymore! I have been told to be hopeful to glean some useful information from among the muck. Julie Gibes Garden Nutrition Educator Community Garden Assistant UW Extension Rock County 51 S. Main Street-Courthouse Janesville, WI 53545 608-757-5696 608 757-5581 (fax) ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Steven Garrett Sent: Tue 1/6/2009 12:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Community_garden] Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) Elle, The Chinese fish proverb that you paraphrased has many merits, but it also has limitations. What is the good of having a (wo)man who now knows how to fish, but cannot afford a fishing pole and/or has no access to a place to fish? As someone who has many years experience in community food, nutrition and gardening for low-income youth and families, I can attest that there are numerous instances where my stretching of this ancient proverb has real world applications. For example: 1. Teaching someone how to cook nutritiously when they do not have a stove. 2. Teaching someone to garden who has no access to land. 3. Teaching someone to shop well on a limited budget but there are no supermarkets in their neighborhood.Improving and expanding education is necessary, but is not sufficient. Our economic system needs to change. Respectfully, Steven Steven M. Garrett, PhC, MS, RD Food Geographer "Will work for food issues" ________________________________ From: Eadams <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; the john doe experience <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 9:35:29 AM Subject: Re: [Community_garden] communitty supported agricultture Instead of giving money to the poor why not give them the education they need to support themselves. Teaching them to fish is the sustainable way, not giving them fish. They can then start their own businesses and help others. Elle --- On Tue, 1/6/09, the john doe experience <[email protected]> wrote: From: the john doe experience <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] communitty supported agricultture To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:34 AM your time would be better spent giving money to the poor. im not even slightly phased, lets talk about this again in five years. capitalistpigs still eat their own. i never attacked csa's. pay attention.the milwaukee project coordinator sited limited space as a reason to charge alot of money, which equals inflation. go get some mental preperation H before you start arguing with me. people who defend themselves like this sound guilty peace,love and happiness, me On 1/5/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I know, I should know better than to add to inflammatory posts such as > these, but just can't read any more without putting my two cents in. > > Sir, > It might surprise you to know that I read books and the list serve in the > winter months. > Your comments about the Milwaukee project as well as CSA's are almost as > inflammatory as those you wrote about the "capitalist pigs". Why wouldn't you > expect those who support them to jump to the defense of the CSA's? > > As for those capitalist pigs, one of them continues to sign my paycheck > which allows me to spend the rest of my time in my veggie garden. Support from > this capitalist pig has also allowed me to start veggie classes in the growing > months. Do I charge for those classes? You bet, is that capitalism, most > likely. Do I make sure that the fiscally impaired folk can afford them, you > bet. > > Since you admittedly have little information on the Milwaukee project why > jump to the negative conclusions you have asserted most of this day? Perhaps > they do not reply as they are too busy living the 'let all be fine and well > life' instead of witting about it. > > Yes, lets do try a little more peace and harmony. Classism, so closely > related to Racism, lets try to keep it all out of the garden! > > Just another peaceful hippie trying to talk her walk! > **************New year...new news. 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To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org <http://www.communitygarden.org/> To post an e-mail to the list: [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communityga rden.org/attachments/20090106/acadc76c/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:38:58 -0600 From: "Paul Buechler" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) To: "Gibes, Julie" <[email protected]>, "Steven Garrett" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <003401c97079$79bcf470$0201a...@pcrj6htc503s41> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Kudos to you Julie. Where there is a will there is a way. There are always alternatives and choices. To Abundant Life Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gibes, Julie" <[email protected]> To: "Steven Garrett" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) > Dear Steve, > > To answer your three points: > > 1. You can teach no bake cooking and/or campfire methods, food safety and > security. > 2. You can teach container gardening that can be done anywhere. > 3. You can always show someone what value is when shopping, bartering or > trading. Not everyone shops at supermarkets. > > Respectfully, > > Julie Gibes > > ps I just signed up for this email list serve two days ago and frankly I > was taken aback from some of the verbal exchanges. I guess I do not have > to watch my soap opera anymore! I have been told to be hopeful to glean > some useful information from among the muck. > > Julie Gibes > Garden Nutrition Educator > Community Garden Assistant > UW Extension Rock County > 51 S. Main Street-Courthouse > Janesville, WI 53545 > 608-757-5696 > 608 757-5581 (fax) > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of > Steven Garrett > Sent: Tue 1/6/2009 12:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Community_garden] Teaching a (wo)man to fish (was CSA) > > > > Elle, > The Chinese fish proverb that you paraphrased has many merits, but it also > has limitations. What is the good of having a (wo)man who now knows how to > fish, but cannot afford a fishing pole and/or has no access to a place to > fish? As someone who has many years experience in community food, > nutrition and gardening for low-income youth and families, I can attest > that there are numerous instances where my stretching of this ancient > proverb has real world applications. For example: > > 1. Teaching someone how to cook nutritiously when they do not have > a stove. > 2. Teaching someone to garden who has no access to land. > 3. Teaching someone to shop well on a limited budget but there are > no supermarkets in their neighborhood.Improving and expanding education is > necessary, but is not sufficient. Our economic system needs to change. > > Respectfully, > Steven > > Steven M. Garrett, PhC, MS, RD > Food Geographer > "Will work for food issues" > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eadams <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; the john doe experience > <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 9:35:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] communitty supported agricultture > > Instead of giving money to the poor why not give them the education they > need to support themselves. Teaching them to fish is the sustainable way, > not giving them fish. They can then start their own businesses and help > others. > > > Elle > > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, the john doe experience <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: the john doe experience <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] communitty supported agricultture > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:34 AM > > your time would be better spent giving money to the poor. im not even > slightly phased, lets talk about this again in five years. > capitalistpigs still eat their own. i never attacked csa's. pay > attention.the milwaukee project coordinator sited limited space as a > reason to charge alot of money, which equals inflation. go get some > mental preperation H before you start arguing with me. people who > defend themselves like this sound guilty > > peace,love and happiness, > me > > > On 1/5/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> I know, I should know better than to add to inflammatory posts such as >> these, but just can't read any more without putting my two cents in. >> >> Sir, >> It might surprise you to know that I read books and the list serve in >> the >> winter months. >> Your comments about the Milwaukee project as well as CSA's are > almost as >> inflammatory as those you wrote about the "capitalist pigs". > Why wouldn't you >> expect those who support them to jump to the defense of the CSA's? >> >> As for those capitalist pigs, one of them continues to sign my paycheck >> which allows me to spend the rest of my time in my veggie garden. > Support from >> this capitalist pig has also allowed me to start veggie classes in the > growing >> months. Do I charge for those classes? You bet, is that capitalism, > most >> likely. Do I make sure that the fiscally impaired folk can afford >> them, > you >> bet. >> >> Since you admittedly have little information on the Milwaukee project > why >> jump to the negative conclusions you have asserted most of this day? > Perhaps >> they do not reply as they are too busy living the 'let all be fine > and well >> life' instead of witting about it. >> >> Yes, lets do try a little more peace and harmony. Classism, so closely >> related to Racism, lets try to keep it all out of the garden! >> >> Just another peaceful hippie trying to talk her walk! >> **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making >> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: > <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communityga rden.org/attachments/20090105/71d2706a/attachment.html> >> _______________________________________________ >> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and > to > find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > <http://www.communitygarden.org/> >> >> To post an e-mail to the list: >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org >> > > > -- > feed two birds with one seed > > _______________________________________________ > The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and > to > find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > <http://www.communitygarden.org/> > > To post an e-mail to the list: [email protected] > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communityga rden.org/attachments/20090106/59b6e3c5/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and > to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > <http://www.communitygarden.org/> > > To post an e-mail to the list: [email protected] > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communityga rden.org/attachments/20090106/56409f5c/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and > to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > <http://www.communitygarden.org/> > > To post an e-mail to the list: [email protected] > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communityga rden.org/attachments/20090106/acadc76c/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and > to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > > To post an e-mail to the list: [email protected] > > To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.commu nitygarden.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:51:05 -0800 (PST) From: angie <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] San Francisco Community Garden/Slow Food Nation To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was in SF in November and saw this garden and took a number of photos. TOTALLY INCREDIBLE what IS possible, even on pavement! Because of the mice that discovered the garden, I even saw a hawk fly through. AMAZING! angela herrmann In a message dated 1/6/2009 11:44:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,? >[email protected] writes: > >Samantha, >I missed that episode because I don't have a television,? but I'm guessing it >was re-crete... Broken up bits of sidewalk and driveway? with the broken edge >facing out.? Easy to stack, nice texture, free, half? the weight of natural >stone, flat on two sides so it's easy to level and? mosses/molds over nicely. > >Or it could have been frozen burlap, I have? no idea, never been to san >francisco.? Just taking a wild leap!???Doesn't anyone from san francisco read this >list anymore? > >Good luck? with it, whatever you use. >fgc > >Fred Conrad >Community Garden? Coordinator >Atlanta Community Food Bank >732 Joseph E Lowery Blvd, NW,? Atlanta, GA 30318 >ph: 678.553.5932 fx:? 678.553.5933 >[email protected]? ? <http://www.acfb.org>? >Our mission is to fight hunger by engaging, educating and empowering our? >community. angela herrmann ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Preach the Gospel at all times ... if necessary, use words. St. Francis of Assisi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Do you really need to print this e-mail message? If so, consider using recycled or one-sided "draft" paper. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communityga rden.org/attachments/20090106/c473f237/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:43:07 -0800 From: "Bill Goedecke" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] san fran victory garden borders To: "'Fred Conrad'" <[email protected]>, "'Shawn Hardeman'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <000f01c97082$702b38f0$4701a...@galavoxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, I am from SF. This was a temporary installation. It no longer exists. I believe it had a connection with the slow food festival. An education garden in the inner Sunset (garden for the environment) is using this material along with hard scape for erosion control and similar. It makes for a pretty wall (pretty nice burlap) but I don't know how sustainable it is and all that or how long it lasts. As you know, it almost never freezes in SF and we don't get a tremendous amount of rain (currently in drought anyway!). Bill G., SF -----Original Message----- From: Fred Conrad [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:11 PM To: Shawn Hardeman; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Community_garden] san fran victory garden borders Alrighty then! Looks like new burlap, not used concrete! Do they replace it every year? fgc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shawn Hardeman Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:57 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Community_garden] san fran victory garden borders There are some great photos posted on Picas as well - http://picasaweb.google.com/nenphotographs/VictoryGarden08GH# from sod removal to harvest - thanks Cyndi for the link. Shawn -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Jan 6, 2009 12:48 PM >To: [email protected], [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Community_garden] san fran victory garden borders > >You can email them and ask: > >_http://www.sfvictorygardens.org/cityhall.html_ >(http://www.sfvictorygardens.org/cityhall.html) > >Cyndi > > >In a message dated 1/6/2009 11:44:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > >Samantha, >I missed that episode because I don't have a television, but I'm >guessing it was re-crete... Broken up bits of sidewalk and driveway >with the broken edge facing out. Easy to stack, nice texture, free, >half the weight of natural stone, flat on two sides so it's easy to level and mosses/molds over nicely. > >Or it could have been frozen burlap, I have no idea, never been to san >francisco. Just taking a wild leap! Doesn't anyone from san francisco read this >list anymore? > >Good luck with it, whatever you use. >fgc > >Fred Conrad >Community Garden Coordinator >Atlanta Community Food Bank >732 Joseph E Lowery Blvd, NW, Atlanta, GA 30318 >ph: 678.553.5932 fx: 678.553.5933 >[email protected] <http://www.acfb.org> >Our mission is to fight hunger by engaging, educating and empowering >our community. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Samantha Provencio >Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:44 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Community_garden] san fran victory garden borders > >I was watching the Victory Garden on PBS and they highlighted the San >Francisco victory garden on City Hall. They mentioned the borders (raised beds) >that looked like burlap but it wasn't it was some kind of recycled product >found locally. 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