Like Barbara, I'm "tired" of the conversation and I'm ready to "retire" it, but 
it is important. I'm with Libby, we use rubble at lot - just built a rubble 
labyrinth last year. Pics at www.urbanministrycenter.org, on my neglected blog. 
And I'm with Mike - tires stink, literally, and I wouldn't use them as 
planters. The ground tire "playground mulch" is gross, especially on a hot day.

However, to each their own, and in that spirit, the recognized tire planter 
authority is no doubt the amazing Southern gardener and writer, Felder Rushing, 
http://www.felderrushing.net/frontyard.htm

I like Felder's bottle trees a lot, even if I disagree with him on tires. Maybe 
for a tree swing on a rope, but I like a board better. Recycling them in 
asphalt pavement? Why not? Burn 'em for energy? No worse than coal, probably. 
Structural material for walls, covered with mud or something? Maybe - we've got 
to do something constructive with all these tires. Sandels, anyone?

 But for framing veggie or flower gardens or beds? Give me a break. Why 
bother??? Frames are usually unnecessary anyway. If you have an incurable bed 
framing fettish, rubble or stone is much easier to work with and more flexible.

If you absolutely feel compelled to use tires as planters for some reason (Car 
Guy Aesthetics? Terminal Recyclophilia? To stubbornly make your point and annoy 
Mike?), use Felder's methods and make real tire planters. Follow his 
instructions, and cut them like he says. If you don't, and try to just stuff 
soil  in them, they are a huge pain to work with. Worse, in those little dips 
and curves, water has a funny way of collecting, just right for Aedes 
albopictus condos.

Now, kudzu. I have a book from 1949, "Kudzu: The Plant That Will Save The 
South". USDA. It was imported to control soil erosion and provide fodder, then 
it got loose, went wild, and started behaving very badly. Not a good guest. 
Ken, we've got way too much here,  I'd be glad to send you (and your goats) 
some. As invasive exotics go,  it's a poster child, if not a bad as some 
(Purple loosestrife, English ivy, exotic fire ants, for instance). At least 
Ken's goats like it. 

Last - new thread. Garden Writers are having one of their online conferences, 
about growing food in community and home gardens. That's good, but I noticed 
that nobody from ACGA was included on the panel. That's not good.

Don
www.urbanministrycenter.org


      

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