there are people who call themselves organic. in summer they may
pick their own fruit and berries, and vegs from a garden fertilized with
manure , compost, mulch...
but in winter they may buy something to eat. it may be a fruit, or food in a
box from farm products... it may even be labeled organic. but many tomatoes
are grown hydroponically, and are healthier than from the organic garden.
because of minerals
needed by human bodies.... the organic person may also be chemical free.
meaning in her bathroom no toothpaste, no soap, no shave cream, no
aspirin, no medicines, in her kitchen no salt, no baking powder, no baking
soda, no laundry bleach, no detergent no toilet cleaner, no car, no oil, no
gasoline, almost amish....
--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Mike McGrath <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mike McGrath <[email protected]>
Subject: [Community_garden] Labels have meaning.
To: [email protected], "Elizabeth Leipold"
<[email protected]>, [email protected]
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:26 AM
OK--I'm going to be very direct here.
I can't believe that an intelligent consumer would have that much
trouble understanding that certain terms would apply to produce grown without
chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
Farmer's Markets are no guarantee that the food was raised in a
sustainable manner. In fact, there aren't even the checks and balances of an
outlet like Whole Foods--or even regular chains--that do spot testing of their
own. That's where labeling comes in; if there's no signage, I assume
it's been sprayed with everything imaginable and fed with chemical salts or
raw manure (not allowed under organic standards.)
And unless the Farmer's Market is "producer only", the produce
probably comes from the same giant distribution center than supplies grocery
stores and restaurants. All too many people buy cheap bulk produce, dress down
for the day and sell it a farmer's market--it really pisses off the real
farmers and is a huge thorn in their sides.
On the 'imported' issue: Yes, some off-season organic produce does
come from Chile and Mexico. (I haven't seen Asian, but anything's
possible as the world continues to shrink.) Its imported by American companies
who also raise organic produce domestically, and I believe, is held to the same
high standards.
BUT what you have written seems to say that it all comes from overseas,
which is incorrect--the vast majority is American (or Canadian) grown.
And, I believe, honestly grown.
---McG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Liu"
<[email protected]>
To: "Elizabeth Leipold" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>; "Mike McGrath"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Selling organic produce
All of these labellings are confusing to me. As a consumer, I like to support
our local farmers, community gardens (some areas have regs that CG can't
make profit from the produce) and local food growers and distributors.
Therefore, I get most of my fruit and veggies from Farmer's Market. They
just taste so much better and so fresh. I've bought veggies and fruits that
are labeled USDA certified organic, but they are grown in South America, Asia
and other countries hundreds and thousands of miles away. Honestly, even though
they are labeled organic, they just don't taste the same as the ones that I
get from our local farmer's market.
I am wondering, other than farmer's market, are there examples where
grocery stores or supermarkets get their produce from local producers? I know
there is Whole Food. However, their prices are much higher than the Farmer's
Market. Well, they do have to make a profit, since they have employees, and a
permanent store. I guess. However, so do the producers.
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Kindness in thinking creates profoundness.
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--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Mike McGrath <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Mike McGrath <[email protected]>
Subject: [Community_garden] Selling organic produce
To: "Elizabeth Leipold" <[email protected]>,
[email protected]
Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 8:44 AM
That's somewhat different.
But as I said earlier, there is a $2500 break point. The NOSB (federal)
standards state that you can use the words "organically grown" on
signage and labels if you plan to sell less than $2500 worth of produce in a
given calendar year. (And, of course, follow the rules of the NOSB standards,
which are posted on the Internet.)
If you go over that amount (or know you will) you must either apply for and
receive official certification, which is somewhat expensive, and I would
imagine, a nightmare to qualify in a community garden, where someone might go
"Oh this isn't a chemical! This Sevin I'm spraying on everything
is
a combination of seven natural ingredients! My neighbor's cousin'
friend
said so..." *
The smart money would say to keep it under $2500. If that's not your
goal, you can use terms like "no spray", "chemical free"
and
such. Some growers who feel they can't afford official certification use
those and similar terms to describe their organic--but not
certified--operations.
Good luck!
----McG
* true story by the way; listeners have said this exact thing to me more than
once. Same for Miracle-Gro and round-Up.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Leipold"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:01 AM
Subject: [Community_garden] must haves for an organic garden?
> i forgot to metion that we are going to be selling at the local
farmer's
> market. preference is given to organic growers.
>
> thanks
>
> -- Elizabeth Leipold
> Mindful Practices
> mindfulpracticesyoga.com
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