What is so humane about putting the rats in a box trap baited with peanut butter? You still have to dispose of them. The most humane way is to trap them with an immediate kill. Don`t use poison bait. Cats, dogs and birds of prey might end up consuming them. Say a prayer for them., and work with your neighbors.
owen > From: [email protected] > Subject: Community_garden Digest, Vol 1770, Issue 3 > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:07:32 -0400 > > Send Community_garden mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community_garden digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rats in the garden (Robin Mitchell) > 2. Re: Rats in the garden (Robin Mitchell) > 3. Re: Rats in the garden (Jessica Katz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:04:44 -0700 > From: Robin Mitchell <[email protected]> > To: Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > Cc: "Pernitz, Sandy" <[email protected]>, Community Garden > List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Rats in the garden > Message-ID: > <CALTCZKM5jeDg3fX6_K-aUW7RV6cfRrqw_E-35Jj3=iocbcb...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Jess > > I am definitely not going to use rat poison. We have a big state campaign > to get the new anti-coagulant poisons off the market, so I am acutely aware > of that problem. > > I think I am going to go with the T-Rex traps, with a non-poisoned bait > (peanut butter or whatever), inside the tamper-proof boxes, mentioned by > Sandy from P-Patch. I am hoping it is the most humane for the rats and > effective for the garden. > > I will let you know how it goes ! > > Thanks for your input! > > Robin > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Good luck with trying to find a successful strategy for controlling rats > > in your garden. > > > > Just a word of caution about using rat poison....especially the ones that > > are anticoagulants. Rats or mice that do eat that bait are likely to be > > wandering around, disoriented, after ingesting it. Cats or other > > predators, like hawks, etc. can catch them and be poisoned, themselves. > > Here, in New York City, we have had several of our local Red-tailed hawks > > poisoned from eating rats that had eaten rat bait in Central Park. Surely, > > there were countless numbers of cats and other raptors that were poisoned > > in less-publicized locations. > > > > Anyway, you might want to keep that in mind and use either cats or traps. > > Or, if you decide to use bait, try to keep cats out of the area while it's > > being used. > > > > Again, good luck....this is a very common challenge in both urban and > > suburban gardens. > > > > Let us know what you decide and how it works for you. I'm sure we'd all > > like to know how it goes. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jess > > 6/15 Green Garden > > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Robin Mitchell < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I want to thank all of you for your thoughtful replies. > >> > >> I think a cat would be ideal but we don't seem to have any neighborhood > >> cats in the area. > >> > >> I am going to order the traps and box as used in the P-Patch gardens in > >> Seattle -- it seems to be exactly what I was looking for. > >> > >> Thanks to all of you I am hoping we can fairly quickly get our rat problem > >> under control ! > >> > >> Robin > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Pernitz, Sandy < > >> [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Robin, > >> > One of my sites has been using the following set up with success and it > >> > protects birds and not nasty chemical use. > >> > They took this rat jaw trap, T-Rex: > >> > http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/trapper-trex-rat-trap-p-95.html > >> > And it fit into a bait trap Protecta Sidekick Rat Bait Station (which > >> > keeps out birds): > >> > > >> http://pestcontrol.domyownpestcontrol.com/search?view=grid&w=Protecta+Sidekick+Rat+Bait+Station+ > >> > > >> > It is not cheap per say but they will last forever. > >> > > >> > I am also attaching our rat guidelines thought some folks might find it > >> > helpful > >> > In Community > >> > > >> > Thank you for your time, > >> > Sandy Pernitz-Community Garden Coordinator > >> > [email protected] > >> > 206-684-0284 > >> > www.seattle.gov/Neighborhoods/ppatch/ > >> > > >> > ?I can think of no better form of personal involvement in the cure of > >> the > >> > environment than that of gardening.? Wendell Berry > >> > Public Disclosure/Disclaimer Statement > >> > Consistent with the Public Records Act, Chapter 42.56 RCW, all records > >> > within the possession of the City may be subject to a public disclosure > >> > request and may be distributed or copied. Records include and are not > >> > limited to sign-in sheets, contracts, e-mails, notes, correspondence, > >> etc. > >> > Use of lists of individuals or directory information (including address, > >> > phone or E-mail) may not be used for commercial purposes. > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Robin Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:43 PM > >> > To: Community Garden List > >> > Subject: [Community_garden] Rats in the garden > >> > > >> > Sorry, I just sent this same email as a reply to the Cornel Organic > >> > Gardening Course email, so I am resending with a proper subject. Don't > >> mean > >> > to spam everyone! > >> > > >> > ************* > >> > > >> > All > >> > > >> > I work with a very small, completely open community garden in the San > >> > Francisco Bay Area, and we are having trouble with rats. Unfortunately, > >> the > >> > rat that we saw running around last week now has a litter of 3 babies > >> (!) > >> > > >> > I am trying to figure out what the best strategy is for dealing with > >> this > >> > situation. I am not sure I have it in me to kill the babies, even > >> though I > >> > don't want to be breeding rats at the garden. I don't think they are > >> weaned > >> > yet. If they were, I would be inclined to relocate them to an > >> undeveloped > >> > area (quite large) in the hills, where maybe nature would take it's > >> course, > >> > as there are more predators up there. > >> > > >> > But then there is still mom, even if we did relocate the children. We > >> were > >> > going to set out a snap trap for her, before we knew she was a mom. Now > >> of > >> > course, we don't want to, since she's feeding kids, as subjecting the > >> > babies to starvation would be a very cruel way to kill them. But, as I > >> > said, we don't want to be breeding rats! > >> > > >> > We have gotten rid of some of the habitat (VERY overgrown tomato plants) > >> > they were enjoying, but because of the drought, we are mulching with > >> straw, > >> > and that is where the litter is, nicely tucked away under the soft > >> cover of > >> > straw !!! > >> > > >> > I think this shows that I am not a real farmer, since I'm having trouble > >> > dealing properly with pests (!) > >> > > >> > Any ideas? > >> > > >> > Also, I would be interested to know if anyone knows of a brand of > >> enclosed > >> > rat trap (snap trap that kills instantly and humanely, not one that uses > >> > poison) that is safe to put in a garden that has lots of kids and pets > >> > running around in it. > >> > > >> > Thanks for all your thoughts! > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Robin Mitchell > >> > El Cerrito Community Garden Network > >> > Email: [email protected] > >> > Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> > URL: < > >> > > >> http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140917/6c856fd7/attachment.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robin Mitchell > >> El Cerrito Community Garden Network > >> Email: [email protected] > >> Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > >> http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140918/0d21cc08/attachment.html > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > >> ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to > >> find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > >> > >> To post an e-mail to the list: [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > >> http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jessica Katz > > Brooklyn, NY > > ************************************************************ > > "We must be the change we wish to see in the world." > > "To forget to dig the earth and to tend the soil is to forget ourselves." > > - Mahatma Gandhi > > > > > > -- > Robin Mitchell > El Cerrito Community Garden Network > Email: [email protected] > Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140918/3b07e9ab/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:29:21 -0700 > From: Robin Mitchell <[email protected]> > To: Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > Cc: "Pernitz, Sandy" <[email protected]>, Community Garden > List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Rats in the garden > Message-ID: > <caltczknxduk1mey8g0g1_igsqsq3mprapagdi9dovjb8o3v...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes this is a great suggestion. There is a lot of ivy (rat habitat big > time) and blackberry bushes in the park where our garden is. We have been > slowly trying to get rid of it, but we need to really work on that aspect. > And working with our neighbors (we have several houses adjoining the park) > to educate them on reducing rat habitat and food is a very good idea. > > A link to the NYC flyer would be great. > > Thanks ! > > Robin > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Oh, another thought, Robin. > > > > If there are rats in your garden, then there are rats in your > > neighborhood. Often, the community garden is blamed for creating a habitat > > for rats when it's a neighborhood-wide problem. Neighbors who leave out > > cat or dog food, bird feeders, restaurants with dumpsters of food waste, > > curbside bags of garbage, etc. all create a haven for rats. Even if you > > kill the ones in your garden, it is likely that that will just create a > > vacuum into which other rats will eventually migrate. > > > > Your garden group might want to consider reaching out to your neighbors > > and have a meeting with them about reducing the conditions that attract > > rats. It's not just your problem alone, and you wouldn't want your garden > > to be seen as causing the situation. This can have the potential for > > putting a community garden in a bad light with its neighbors, even if they > > are not the cause of the problem. > > > > Good community relations are soooooo important for the survival of a > > community garden. Many cities have workshops in rat reduction and there > > are lots of good flyers/guides online. I can try to find the ones that NYC > > distributes and post the link, if you want. > > > > Jess > > 6/15 Green Garden > > Brooklyn, NY > > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Good luck with trying to find a successful strategy for controlling rats > >> in your garden. > >> > >> Just a word of caution about using rat poison....especially the ones that > >> are anticoagulants. Rats or mice that do eat that bait are likely to be > >> wandering around, disoriented, after ingesting it. Cats or other > >> predators, like hawks, etc. can catch them and be poisoned, themselves. > >> Here, in New York City, we have had several of our local Red-tailed hawks > >> poisoned from eating rats that had eaten rat bait in Central Park. Surely, > >> there were countless numbers of cats and other raptors that were poisoned > >> in less-publicized locations. > >> > >> Anyway, you might want to keep that in mind and use either cats or > >> traps. Or, if you decide to use bait, try to keep cats out of the area > >> while it's being used. > >> > >> Again, good luck....this is a very common challenge in both urban and > >> suburban gardens. > >> > >> Let us know what you decide and how it works for you. I'm sure we'd all > >> like to know how it goes. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Jess > >> 6/15 Green Garden > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Robin Mitchell < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> I want to thank all of you for your thoughtful replies. > >>> > >>> I think a cat would be ideal but we don't seem to have any neighborhood > >>> cats in the area. > >>> > >>> I am going to order the traps and box as used in the P-Patch gardens in > >>> Seattle -- it seems to be exactly what I was looking for. > >>> > >>> Thanks to all of you I am hoping we can fairly quickly get our rat > >>> problem > >>> under control ! > >>> > >>> Robin > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Pernitz, Sandy < > >>> [email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hi Robin, > >>> > One of my sites has been using the following set up with success and it > >>> > protects birds and not nasty chemical use. > >>> > They took this rat jaw trap, T-Rex: > >>> > http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/trapper-trex-rat-trap-p-95.html > >>> > And it fit into a bait trap Protecta Sidekick Rat Bait Station (which > >>> > keeps out birds): > >>> > > >>> http://pestcontrol.domyownpestcontrol.com/search?view=grid&w=Protecta+Sidekick+Rat+Bait+Station+ > >>> > > >>> > It is not cheap per say but they will last forever. > >>> > > >>> > I am also attaching our rat guidelines thought some folks might find it > >>> > helpful > >>> > In Community > >>> > > >>> > Thank you for your time, > >>> > Sandy Pernitz-Community Garden Coordinator > >>> > [email protected] > >>> > 206-684-0284 > >>> > www.seattle.gov/Neighborhoods/ppatch/ > >>> > > >>> > ?I can think of no better form of personal involvement in the cure of > >>> the > >>> > environment than that of gardening.? Wendell Berry > >>> > Public Disclosure/Disclaimer Statement > >>> > Consistent with the Public Records Act, Chapter 42.56 RCW, all records > >>> > within the possession of the City may be subject to a public disclosure > >>> > request and may be distributed or copied. Records include and are not > >>> > limited to sign-in sheets, contracts, e-mails, notes, correspondence, > >>> etc. > >>> > Use of lists of individuals or directory information (including > >>> address, > >>> > phone or E-mail) may not be used for commercial purposes. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Robin Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:43 PM > >>> > To: Community Garden List > >>> > Subject: [Community_garden] Rats in the garden > >>> > > >>> > Sorry, I just sent this same email as a reply to the Cornel Organic > >>> > Gardening Course email, so I am resending with a proper subject. Don't > >>> mean > >>> > to spam everyone! > >>> > > >>> > ************* > >>> > > >>> > All > >>> > > >>> > I work with a very small, completely open community garden in the San > >>> > Francisco Bay Area, and we are having trouble with rats. > >>> Unfortunately, the > >>> > rat that we saw running around last week now has a litter of 3 babies > >>> (!) > >>> > > >>> > I am trying to figure out what the best strategy is for dealing with > >>> this > >>> > situation. I am not sure I have it in me to kill the babies, even > >>> though I > >>> > don't want to be breeding rats at the garden. I don't think they are > >>> weaned > >>> > yet. If they were, I would be inclined to relocate them to an > >>> undeveloped > >>> > area (quite large) in the hills, where maybe nature would take it's > >>> course, > >>> > as there are more predators up there. > >>> > > >>> > But then there is still mom, even if we did relocate the children. We > >>> were > >>> > going to set out a snap trap for her, before we knew she was a mom. > >>> Now of > >>> > course, we don't want to, since she's feeding kids, as subjecting the > >>> > babies to starvation would be a very cruel way to kill them. But, as I > >>> > said, we don't want to be breeding rats! > >>> > > >>> > We have gotten rid of some of the habitat (VERY overgrown tomato > >>> plants) > >>> > they were enjoying, but because of the drought, we are mulching with > >>> straw, > >>> > and that is where the litter is, nicely tucked away under the soft > >>> cover of > >>> > straw !!! > >>> > > >>> > I think this shows that I am not a real farmer, since I'm having > >>> trouble > >>> > dealing properly with pests (!) > >>> > > >>> > Any ideas? > >>> > > >>> > Also, I would be interested to know if anyone knows of a brand of > >>> enclosed > >>> > rat trap (snap trap that kills instantly and humanely, not one that > >>> uses > >>> > poison) that is safe to put in a garden that has lots of kids and pets > >>> > running around in it. > >>> > > >>> > Thanks for all your thoughts! > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Robin Mitchell > >>> > El Cerrito Community Garden Network > >>> > Email: [email protected] > >>> > Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > >>> > -------------- next part -------------- > >>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> > URL: < > >>> > > >>> http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140917/6c856fd7/attachment.html > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Robin Mitchell > >>> El Cerrito Community Garden Network > >>> Email: [email protected] > >>> Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>> URL: < > >>> http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140918/0d21cc08/attachment.html > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > >>> ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and > >>> to > >>> find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org > >>> > >>> To post an e-mail to the list: > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: > >>> http://list.communitygarden.org/mailman/listinfo/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jessica Katz > >> Brooklyn, NY > >> ************************************************************ > >> "We must be the change we wish to see in the world." > >> "To forget to dig the earth and to tend the soil is to forget > >> ourselves." - Mahatma Gandhi > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jessica Katz > > Brooklyn, NY > > ************************************************************ > > "We must be the change we wish to see in the world." > > "To forget to dig the earth and to tend the soil is to forget ourselves." > > - Mahatma Gandhi > > > > > > -- > Robin Mitchell > El Cerrito Community Garden Network > Email: [email protected] > Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140918/6f150fe9/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:07:19 -0400 > From: Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > To: Robin Mitchell <[email protected]> > Cc: "Pernitz, Sandy" <[email protected]>, Community Garden > List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Community_garden] Rats in the garden > Message-ID: > <CAF0fdg6nWDKAc+_0==xY=t7p++lxa4zm+he9sqa06s4b8cw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Robin, > > Here are links to a couple of downloadable pamphlets printed by New York > City about rat control: > > http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/pest/rodent_control.pdf > > http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/pest/pest-bro-healthy-home.pdf > > These do include the use of baited traps. But, it sounds like the T-Rex > trap could work really well for you. > > These include info on rat-proofing buildings. So, these might be useful > for your neighbors, too. > > New York City actually offers a free workshop for residents (The Rodent > Academy! LOL) who are interested in learning more about rat control, as > well as a three-day intensive course for professionals. You might want to > see if there's something similar in your area. It's such a huge problem, > here, that the city tries to find as many ways as possible to help people > learn how to deal with the critters. > > :-) > > Jess > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Robin Mitchell <[email protected] > > wrote: > > > Yes this is a great suggestion. There is a lot of ivy (rat habitat big > > time) and blackberry bushes in the park where our garden is. We have been > > slowly trying to get rid of it, but we need to really work on that aspect. > > And working with our neighbors (we have several houses adjoining the park) > > to educate them on reducing rat habitat and food is a very good idea. > > > > A link to the NYC flyer would be great. > > > > Thanks ! > > > > Robin > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Oh, another thought, Robin. > >> > >> If there are rats in your garden, then there are rats in your > >> neighborhood. Often, the community garden is blamed for creating a habitat > >> for rats when it's a neighborhood-wide problem. Neighbors who leave out > >> cat or dog food, bird feeders, restaurants with dumpsters of food waste, > >> curbside bags of garbage, etc. all create a haven for rats. Even if you > >> kill the ones in your garden, it is likely that that will just create a > >> vacuum into which other rats will eventually migrate. > >> > >> Your garden group might want to consider reaching out to your neighbors > >> and have a meeting with them about reducing the conditions that attract > >> rats. It's not just your problem alone, and you wouldn't want your garden > >> to be seen as causing the situation. This can have the potential for > >> putting a community garden in a bad light with its neighbors, even if they > >> are not the cause of the problem. > >> > >> Good community relations are soooooo important for the survival of a > >> community garden. Many cities have workshops in rat reduction and there > >> are lots of good flyers/guides online. I can try to find the ones that NYC > >> distributes and post the link, if you want. > >> > >> Jess > >> 6/15 Green Garden > >> Brooklyn, NY > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:57 AM, Jessica Katz <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Good luck with trying to find a successful strategy for controlling > >>> rats in your garden. > >>> > >>> Just a word of caution about using rat poison....especially the ones > >>> that are anticoagulants. Rats or mice that do eat that bait are likely to > >>> be wandering around, disoriented, after ingesting it. Cats or other > >>> predators, like hawks, etc. can catch them and be poisoned, themselves. > >>> Here, in New York City, we have had several of our local Red-tailed hawks > >>> poisoned from eating rats that had eaten rat bait in Central Park. > >>> Surely, > >>> there were countless numbers of cats and other raptors that were poisoned > >>> in less-publicized locations. > >>> > >>> Anyway, you might want to keep that in mind and use either cats or > >>> traps. Or, if you decide to use bait, try to keep cats out of the area > >>> while it's being used. > >>> > >>> Again, good luck....this is a very common challenge in both urban and > >>> suburban gardens. > >>> > >>> Let us know what you decide and how it works for you. I'm sure we'd all > >>> like to know how it goes. > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> > >>> Jess > >>> 6/15 Green Garden > >>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Robin Mitchell < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I want to thank all of you for your thoughtful replies. > >>>> > >>>> I think a cat would be ideal but we don't seem to have any neighborhood > >>>> cats in the area. > >>>> > >>>> I am going to order the traps and box as used in the P-Patch gardens in > >>>> Seattle -- it seems to be exactly what I was looking for. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks to all of you I am hoping we can fairly quickly get our rat > >>>> problem > >>>> under control ! > >>>> > >>>> Robin > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Pernitz, Sandy < > >>>> [email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Hi Robin, > >>>> > One of my sites has been using the following set up with success and > >>>> it > >>>> > protects birds and not nasty chemical use. > >>>> > They took this rat jaw trap, T-Rex: > >>>> > http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/trapper-trex-rat-trap-p-95.html > >>>> > And it fit into a bait trap Protecta Sidekick Rat Bait Station (which > >>>> > keeps out birds): > >>>> > > >>>> http://pestcontrol.domyownpestcontrol.com/search?view=grid&w=Protecta+Sidekick+Rat+Bait+Station+ > >>>> > > >>>> > It is not cheap per say but they will last forever. > >>>> > > >>>> > I am also attaching our rat guidelines thought some folks might find > >>>> it > >>>> > helpful > >>>> > In Community > >>>> > > >>>> > Thank you for your time, > >>>> > Sandy Pernitz-Community Garden Coordinator > >>>> > [email protected] > >>>> > 206-684-0284 > >>>> > www.seattle.gov/Neighborhoods/ppatch/ > >>>> > > >>>> > ?I can think of no better form of personal involvement in the cure of > >>>> the > >>>> > environment than that of gardening.? Wendell Berry > >>>> > Public Disclosure/Disclaimer Statement > >>>> > Consistent with the Public Records Act, Chapter 42.56 RCW, all records > >>>> > within the possession of the City may be subject to a public > >>>> disclosure > >>>> > request and may be distributed or copied. Records include and are not > >>>> > limited to sign-in sheets, contracts, e-mails, notes, correspondence, > >>>> etc. > >>>> > Use of lists of individuals or directory information (including > >>>> address, > >>>> > phone or E-mail) may not be used for commercial purposes. > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > -----Original Message----- > >>>> > From: Robin Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:43 PM > >>>> > To: Community Garden List > >>>> > Subject: [Community_garden] Rats in the garden > >>>> > > >>>> > Sorry, I just sent this same email as a reply to the Cornel Organic > >>>> > Gardening Course email, so I am resending with a proper subject. > >>>> Don't mean > >>>> > to spam everyone! > >>>> > > >>>> > ************* > >>>> > > >>>> > All > >>>> > > >>>> > I work with a very small, completely open community garden in the San > >>>> > Francisco Bay Area, and we are having trouble with rats. > >>>> Unfortunately, the > >>>> > rat that we saw running around last week now has a litter of 3 babies > >>>> (!) > >>>> > > >>>> > I am trying to figure out what the best strategy is for dealing with > >>>> this > >>>> > situation. I am not sure I have it in me to kill the babies, even > >>>> though I > >>>> > don't want to be breeding rats at the garden. I don't think they are > >>>> weaned > >>>> > yet. If they were, I would be inclined to relocate them to an > >>>> undeveloped > >>>> > area (quite large) in the hills, where maybe nature would take it's > >>>> course, > >>>> > as there are more predators up there. > >>>> > > >>>> > But then there is still mom, even if we did relocate the children. We > >>>> were > >>>> > going to set out a snap trap for her, before we knew she was a mom. > >>>> Now of > >>>> > course, we don't want to, since she's feeding kids, as subjecting the > >>>> > babies to starvation would be a very cruel way to kill them. But, as I > >>>> > said, we don't want to be breeding rats! > >>>> > > >>>> > We have gotten rid of some of the habitat (VERY overgrown tomato > >>>> plants) > >>>> > they were enjoying, but because of the drought, we are mulching with > >>>> straw, > >>>> > and that is where the litter is, nicely tucked away under the soft > >>>> cover of > >>>> > straw !!! > >>>> > > >>>> > I think this shows that I am not a real farmer, since I'm having > >>>> trouble > >>>> > dealing properly with pests (!) > >>>> > > >>>> > Any ideas? > >>>> > > >>>> > Also, I would be interested to know if anyone knows of a brand of > >>>> enclosed > >>>> > rat trap (snap trap that kills instantly and humanely, not one that > >>>> uses > >>>> > poison) that is safe to put in a garden that has lots of kids and pets > >>>> > running around in it. > >>>> > > >>>> > Thanks for all your thoughts! > >>>> > > >>>> > -- > >>>> > Robin Mitchell > >>>> > El Cerrito Community Garden Network > >>>> > Email: [email protected] > >>>> > Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> > URL: < > >>>> > > >>>> http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140917/6c856fd7/attachment.html > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Robin Mitchell > >>>> El Cerrito Community Garden Network > >>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>> Web: https://www.sites.google.com/site/elcerritocommunitygarden/ > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: < > >>>> http://list.communitygarden.org/pipermail/community_garden_list.communitygarden.org/attachments/20140918/0d21cc08/attachment.html > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of > >>>> ACGA's services to community gardeners. 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