Peter,

Thanks for replying to my email.

In between sending the original email & your reply, this is what I have
actually done.

I've tried the disk (Seagate ST32151N ) in an Apple IIsi & the disk formats
with Apple HD SC Setup vB1-7.3.5 with no problems & it can take an install
of Apple Macintosh System 7.6 from CD with no problems.

I have tried a 80Mb HDD (Apple Drive) in the Apple Macintosh IIci & perform
the same operation & the IIci is now reporting "Sorry, A System Error
Occurred. Bus Error, To Temporary turn off Extensions, restart and hold down
the shift key" - This would suggest that I have a SCSI Bus Problem on the
IIci.

Any Ideas of how I can fix this, Assume a New Motherboard ?

Never Mind, Upwards & onwards.

Kind Regards

Geraint Searle

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Compact Macs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Problems with Formating an Seagate ST32151N with an Apple
Macintosh IIci & OS7.5/7.6 + Anubis 2.54


> First question: can you used any hard drive in this computer
> successfully? If not, you may have a computer hardware problem.
> But assuming it's just this drive...
>
> > 1. Received an Seagate ST32151N from a Supplier that hade already
> > pre-formatted.
>
> Technically, all drives a pre-formatted at the factory. Formatting
> programs don't actually format SCSI or ATA drives, the drive firmware
> does that. What they do is initialise the partitions and in the
> case of Macs install a driver that understands their partitioning
> scheme.
>
> Anyway, this is already a bad sign. Don't buy pre-formatted Mac
> hard drives, because there are formatting programs out there that
> can force even terminally sick drives to pass quite a lot of testing.
> Why they have this feature, I don't know: any SCSI drive that shows
> any uncorrectable hard errors, or otherwise fails to perform, is
> is almost certainly going to fail for good in the not-too-distant
> future.
>
> I won't say the vendor was trying to scam you, because they may
> well not understand this point. When I went through this they said
> "these are used drives, you can't expect them to be perfect"...
> no, sorry, disk drives don't work that way... either the firmware
> can hide any errors, or it's terminal. Get them to replace the
> drive, and reformat it when it gets in to make sure it's not a bad
> drive with the uncorrectable defects hidden.
>
> Incidentally, the drives I had the problems with were also Seagate
> Hawks. I wonder if it was the same vendor.
>
>
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