Peter da Silva wrote:

On Jun 24, 2005, at 6:36 AM, Darren wrote:

It's pretty certain that they won't even support Classic on the Intel Macs at all.


The emulators around now all work best on ppc, no surprise there - much faster. Classic support will suffer alittle, there is alot for apple to draw on and Rosetta must go a fair distance to do whats claimed which should be good for emulation over all.


Rosetta doesn't emulate the hardware down to the devices, it works in cooperation with the application, switching out of the emulation at the system call and possibly framework level. You won't be able to boot OS 9.2.2 under it, so you won't be able to run Classic applications on OS X86 at all:

In http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ universal_binary/universal_binary_exec_a/chapter_7_section_2.html -

Rosetta does not run the following:

    *      Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9
    *      The Classic environment
    *      Code written specifically for AltiVec
    *      Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane
    *      Applications that require a G4 or G5 processor
    *      Applications that depend on one or more kernel extensions
    *      Kernel extensions
* Bundled Java applications or Java applications with JNI libraries that can't be translated


Sorry, I guess we should hope Apple doesn't come down to hard on the current *free* emulators.
I had only read or remembered the

Rosetta is designed to translate currently shipping applications that run on a PowerPC with a G3 processor

bit from the coverage of Jobs speech.

AltiVec is currently early alpha as far as current Pearpc x86 emulation, not pretty. The "Classic environment" will now be SheepShaver for 7.5 -9.1, Basilisk II for 68k OS7 - 8.1 and Vmac(mini) for the list. Basilisk II and Vmac work well on intel, SheepShaver (ShapeShifter) is coming along nicely. There are some good small time programmers working on and porting the CVS of these three emulators to OSX, I'm sure this will continue. You will need a copy of your roms. I dont think you should pay again for these and the current system works well enough, making older versions of the os free and limiting the availablity of roms which Apple, I guess, does well at the moment.

I'm surprised at the apparent lack of Apple support for the Classic environment. There are other ways to skin a cat, they currently work well on x86 and will only improve.





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