playing as a human, if i'm behind by 2.5 points, i'll never
know it, even if there is a zero percent chance that i can
make up those 2.5 points. i just don't count that accurately.
moreover, after watching you pointlessly attempt to fill each
and every one of my eyes one at a time, i'll get frustrated as
a player regardless.
on the other hand, if you put me behind by 35 points by the
midgame, i can see it and will immediately resign. just about
anyone will resign if they can see that they're behind by
> 10-15 going into yose.
it's a pretty minor goal in the big picture, and likely doesn't
matter for non-commercial and non-commercially-supported
programs. it was just a thought.
also, if it makes a difference, you don't have to even *start*
keeping track of territory-by-move until you have more than one move
with > 1-eps probability of winning, which might be very late
into the game.
s.
----- Original Message ----
From: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 11:36:44 AM
Subject: RE: [computer-go] Useless moves in the endgame
But is there other conditions? Could I pass really early and
trick Mango into passing if I wanted to?
A very simple approach works like this:
1. When winning very convincingly in Chinese, play quickly.
2. When losing convincingly, resign.
Your opponent, when losing has 2 options.
1. If he is so concerned about etiquette, he follows the
lead of the program - he resigns.
2. He has the option to play it out which is his right.
But the computer might choose to accommodates him by
playing quickly.
There is no need to make such a fuss over how to implement
good play-out that is not rude or "unkind" if you implement
this simple thing as out-lined. There is no need for a
human who is losing to complain about play-out - he has the
power to end it. Likewise, the simplest protocol for the
computer is also to quit once it is sure it's losing.
Playing more quickly when winning is a kindness - not a
necessity for a program to implement - a way to be nice
to a human who wants to play it out even though he is
dead lost. It's rude to pressure a player into stopping
if he wants to play it out.
I never understood why a human who is losing continues to
play out a game while complaining about the behavior of
the computer. This is not a criticism of what Benjamin
said, he made some valid points and it is interesting
to consider how a program might improve it's play-out
style as a cosmetic issue.
- Don
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 17:07 +0100, Chaslot G (MICC) wrote:
> Mango passes as soon as the opponent passes two times in a row.
> Might this lead to bugs in some situations?
>
> Anyway this is very nice for playing against humans and GnuGo.
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