Hi, recently, Leela-Chess-Zero has become very strong, playing on the same level with Stockfish-10. Many of the test players are puzzled, however, by the "phenomenon" that Lc0 tends to need many many moves to transform an overwhelming advantage into a mate.
Just today a new German tester reported a case and described it by the sentence "da wird der Hund in der Pfanne verrückt" ("now the dog is going crazy in the pan", to translate it word by word). He had seen an endgame: Stockfish with naked king, and LeelaZero with king, queen and two rooks. Leela first sacrificed the queen, then one of the rooks, and only then started to go for a "normal" mate with the last remaining rook (+ king). The guy (Florian Wieting) asked for an explanation. http://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?tid=10262 I think there is a very straightforward one: What Leela-Chess-Zero with its MCTS-based searc) performs is comparable to the path all MCTS Go bots took for many years when playing winning positions against human opponents: the advantage was reduced step by step, and in the end the bot gained a win by 0.5 points. Later, in the tournament table, that was not a problem, because a win is a win :-) Similarly in chess: overwhelming advantage is reduced by lazy play to some small margin advantage (against a straightforward alpha-beta opponent), and then the MCTS chess bot (= Leela Zero in this case) starts playing concentratedly. Another guy asked how DeepMind had worked around this problem with their AlphaZero. I am rather convinced: They also had this problem. Likely, they kept the most serious examples undisclosed, and furthermore set the margins for resignation rather narrow (for instance something like evaluation +-6 by Stockfish for three move pairs) to avoid nearly endless endgames. Ingo. PS: thinking of a future with automatic cars in public traffic. The 0.5-point wins or the related behaviour in MCTS-based chess would mean that an automatic car would brake only in the very last moment knowing that it will be sufficient to stop 20 centimeters next to the back-bumpers of the car ahead. Of course, a human passenger would not like to experience such situations too often. _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go