In politics and computers, too many feel a different view is stupidity and
not just a different view.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, db <db...@att.net> wrote:

> That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad
> points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty.   If the IT literate
> don't/ can't  see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains
> unaccountable.
>
> With some of the name calling and righteous huffing and puffing that
> resulted from my OS X comments, some of you Computerguys sounded like the
> people defending Wall Street / the bad parts of the bailout or our
> continuous wars in Iraq/Afghanistan.
>
> Pointed criticism isn't a bad thing / unpatriotic.... it's how the
> accountability process begins.
>
> If things are broke... or inefficient and bothersome ... they should be
> fixed for the benefit of everyone and if it's just they don't bother you ...
> you might give people some credit for their concerns.  Insisting they are
> wrong just makes you part of the metaphysical problem.
>
> What do you really know of other's realities?   Give people some credit and
> empowerment sometimes for knowing something that makes no sense to you.
>  Particularly when they are working hard and in substantial ways at it.
>  Saying "Red" is "Blue" over and over again is a recipe for nothing good in
> particular...
>
> I bet most everyone has learned that lesson a few times with their
> significant other.
> If they haven't, they are no doubt living alone..
>
> db
>
>
> mike wrote:
>
>> My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they
>> are unaccountable because they don't have to be.  WM was untouched for
>> years
>> because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because
>> no matter what they know they will keep getting money....unaccountable.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, db <db...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles
>>> and
>>> government and WM.
>>>
>>> To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product
>>> from
>>> a provider with bad juju.  Did it ever mature?
>>>
>>> Governments ... have been both good and bad.  The good ones were probably
>>> the ones that developed to a mature level.  The bad ones are when they
>>> rot
>>> sometime thereafter...  when citizens stop maintaining them.
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> db
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are
>>>> unaccountable like government or windows mobile.  Take your pick of
>>>> evil.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan <ka...@his.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Quoting db <db...@att.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>  That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for
>>>>> innovation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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