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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: CXS page (fy: (Mis)Naming a Language)
From: taliesin the storyteller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: word separation (was:Hobbits spoke ?)
From: Rodlox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: i-Mutation
From: Trebor Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. Re: CXS page (fy: (Mis)Naming a Language)
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: i-mutation
From: Trebor Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: CXS page (fy: (Mis)Naming a Language)
From: Jan van Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. a few Na-Dené questions
From: Rodlox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:10:55 +0200
From: taliesin the storyteller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CXS page (fy: (Mis)Naming a Language)
* Jan van Steenbergen said on 2004-10-30 15:06:34 +0200
> --- Henrik Theiling skrzypszy:
>
> > If you like, take a look at my web-page with a comparison of IPA,
> > X-Sampa and CXS:
> >
> > http://www.theiling.de/ipa/
>
> And excellent page! However, if I may make one small suggestion: add
> a font tag with a few Unicode fonts. Like: <FONT FACE="Code2000,
> Thryomanes, Gentium, Lucida Sans Unicode, Arial Unicode, etc.">
Always incorrect these days :) correct, oh, some seven years ago.
> Because frankly, I only got it working after copying the source and
> adding such a tag myself.
The correct way is to tell what encoding it is, is to put it in the
header/preamble. HTML 3.2 defaults to iso-8859-1. It is set explicitly
in the header in this case...
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf8">
But AFAIK 3.2 couldn't care less.
For 4.0, the default is unicode, so I suggest simply replacing the line
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
with
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd";>
(with no linebreak)
I'd also suggest running the page through for instance tidy
<http://tidy.sourceforge.net/> as the code is rather ugly to read by
hand and it'll collect all the style-information in one handy block.
t., who used to know way too much about these things. GO bad memory!
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:42:36 +0200
From: Rodlox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: word separation (was:Hobbits spoke ?)
----- Original Message -----
From: caeruleancentaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Different stresses.
>
> I used the word "hiatus" in the hopes of using a word Rodlox knew.
> The technical term is, I believe, "juncture." It means the various
> boundary features which demarcate grammatical units.
well, I do know the word "hiatus"...but in the sense of taking a vacation,
or a sabbattical(sp).
> Y'all have a good weekend.
you too.
> Charlie
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:06:56 -0400
From: Trebor Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i-Mutation
Henrik írta: "Indeed. I always found it strange that Estonian has both |ii|
and |ü|. Finnish is better off with |y| instead of |ü|, which can easily be
distinguished in handwriting."
German and Swedish influanced the two languages; hence the spellings.
Trebor
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:17:14 +0200
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CXS page (fy: (Mis)Naming a Language)
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:10:55 +0200, taliesin the storyteller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Jan van Steenbergen said on 2004-10-30 15:06:34 +0200
> > --- Henrik Theiling skrzypszy:
> >
> > > If you like, take a look at my web-page with a comparison of IPA,
> > > X-Sampa and CXS:
> > >
> > > http://www.theiling.de/ipa/
> >
> > And excellent page! However, if I may make one small suggestion: add
> > a font tag with a few Unicode fonts. Like: <FONT FACE="Code2000,
> > Thryomanes, Gentium, Lucida Sans Unicode, Arial Unicode, etc.">
>
> Always incorrect these days :) correct, oh, some seven years ago.
>
> > Because frankly, I only got it working after copying the source and
> > adding such a tag myself.
>
> The correct way is to tell what encoding it is, is to put it in the
> header/preamble.
I presume you meant to say "The correct way to tell what encoding it
is, is to put it in the header" (i.e. without the first "is").
But Jan is not talking about encoding: I believe he meant that his
browser correctly picked up the encoding, but was not smart enough to
choose a font that included all the characters used on that page, and
requested help.
A fair number of browsers, if told to use font X, will display "funny
characters" (e.g. IPA) if those characters are in that font but only
squares or question marks (or similar) if the characters are not in
that font, while other browsers are smart enough to look in other
available fonts for such characters -- but then you get the effect
that the page uses a mixture of fonts, and it might be preferable to
display the entire page in a font with a wide character repertoire.
Cheers,
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Watch the Reply-To!
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:17:37 -0400
From: Trebor Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i-mutation
Yann írta: "Does anybody have an Idea into what sound an i could mutate
(a->ä,o->ö,u->ü,e([e]very->ë(German [E]nde))? I am constructing a language
that uses these mutations for grammatical infelction."
What's your conlang's vocalic inventory?
Let's say it's /i e a u o/, then you could have these mutations:
Centralize the vowel: /I E & O U/
Change the frontness of the vowel: /M 7 A i e/
Change the roundedness of the vowel: /y 2 &\ M 7/
Change the height of the vowel: /e i - u o/
I know there are pro'ly mistakes, I'm just too lazy to check the X-Sampa
chart :P Others could pro'ly help better. :)
Trebor
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:47:31 +0100
From: Jan van Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CXS page (fy: (Mis)Naming a Language)
--- Philip Newton skrzypszy:
> > > > http://www.theiling.de/ipa/
> >
> > The correct way is to tell what encoding it is, is to put it in
> > the header/preamble.
>
> [...]
> But Jan is not talking about encoding: I believe he meant that his
> browser correctly picked up the encoding, but was not smart enough
> to choose a font that included all the characters used on that
> page, and requested help.
Indeed. My knowledge about HTML is pretty basic, but I am sort of
familiar with coding the encoding ;) . Not the encoding was the
problem, but the font. As you said, I got boxes (and for some reason,
the Palatino Linotype font, which I like a lot, displays
fleurs-de-lys in the same situation).
Well, perhaps the real problem is IE6.0. Is there a way to tell it to
use a different font when a page is encoded UTF-8?
Jan
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:48:34 +0200
From: Rodlox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: a few Na-Dené questions
working on Conlang-17...a Na-Dené member, or at least based on that family.
I managed to find a few Na-Dené websites (primarily, though not entirely,
focused upon Navaho)...but it didn't seem to mention how members of that
language family handle possessives.
ie, in Kaskan, _dene dzage_ means _people's language_.
which part of the words is changed to produce any of the following?:
_people language_
_peoples' language_
*curious*
thanks.
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