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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: making an oral conlang
From: Brett Williams
1b. Re: making an oral conlang
From: Ben Scerri
1c. Re: making an oral conlang
From: Philip Newton
2. Romance language forum (google-groups)
From: Daniel Hollande
3a. Re: Future English Languages
From: Richard Littauer
3b. Re: Future English Languages
From: Ph.D.
3c. Re: Future English Languages
From: Philip Newton
3d. Re: Future English Languages
From: Karen Badham
3e. Re: Future English Languages
From: Vincent Pistelli
3f. Re: Future English Languages
From: Aidan Aannestad
4a. Re: OT Facebook False Friends
From: Philip Newton
5.1. Re: False friends
From: Adam Walker
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1a. Re: making an oral conlang
Posted by: "Brett Williams" mungoje...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:55 pm ((PDT))
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Gary Shannon <fizi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Back in the late 60's or early 70's a friend of mine and I went
> camping one weekend. He, being a philosophy grad student and me being
> a computer science grad student, we decided it would be fun to not
> speak a word of English during the whole trip, but to make up whatever
> language we needed as the need arose.
>
> Having no linguistics knowledge at the time, however, we quite
> predictably ending up relexing English to the tune a a hundred words
> or so, and depended heavily on grunting and pointing.
Hmm, I wonder if a CONLANG list camping trip would have a different
experience. :D
I think it would be simple enough to organize a group oral conlang
experiment online. This is how I'd think of doing it: Everyone would
sign up for some social networking site that allows audio posts
(perhaps Tumblr, which even accepts short audio posts by telephone)
and then they'd just post recordings of themselves talking about the
new language. Perhaps it could be agreed in advance what license the
audio would be under, such as Creative Commons, to facilitate
assembling compilations and summaries and lessons. If you forgot the
history of the language you could just go back and listen to it again!
I have an unusual amount of free time in the near future, so I'd
actually be interested in the experiment if anyone else is game.
<3,
la stela selckiku
aka
mungojelly
aka
bret-ram
aka
veret'he
aka
brett
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1b. Re: making an oral conlang
Posted by: "Ben Scerri" psykieki...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:11 pm ((PDT))
That sounds very fun indeed, and I'd be interested (more so from the point
of view that it would be a great learning opportunity for me as to refine my
own linguistics skills by working with those more informed and trained in
the field).
On 21 August 2010 12:52, Brett Williams <mungoje...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Gary Shannon <fizi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Back in the late 60's or early 70's a friend of mine and I went
> > camping one weekend. He, being a philosophy grad student and me being
> > a computer science grad student, we decided it would be fun to not
> > speak a word of English during the whole trip, but to make up whatever
> > language we needed as the need arose.
> >
> > Having no linguistics knowledge at the time, however, we quite
> > predictably ending up relexing English to the tune a a hundred words
> > or so, and depended heavily on grunting and pointing.
>
>
> Hmm, I wonder if a CONLANG list camping trip would have a different
> experience. :D
>
>
> I think it would be simple enough to organize a group oral conlang
> experiment online. This is how I'd think of doing it: Everyone would
> sign up for some social networking site that allows audio posts
> (perhaps Tumblr, which even accepts short audio posts by telephone)
> and then they'd just post recordings of themselves talking about the
> new language. Perhaps it could be agreed in advance what license the
> audio would be under, such as Creative Commons, to facilitate
> assembling compilations and summaries and lessons. If you forgot the
> history of the language you could just go back and listen to it again!
>
> I have an unusual amount of free time in the near future, so I'd
> actually be interested in the experiment if anyone else is game.
>
> <3,
> la stela selckiku
> aka
> mungojelly
> aka
> bret-ram
> aka
> veret'he
> aka
> brett
>
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1c. Re: making an oral conlang
Posted by: "Philip Newton" philip.new...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:00 am ((PDT))
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Brett Williams <mungoje...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you forgot the
> history of the language you could just go back and listen to it again!
You say "just", but in my experience, random access to written
material is a lot quicker than random access to audio material --
perhaps because written material is usually presented
two-dimensionally (words along a line, lines down a page) and so it's
easier to take in large quantities of data when skimming or looking
for something in particular, whereas with audio material, it's
inherently one-dimensional, so it's harder to skim.
Also, you can skim written material pretty much at whatever speed you
want, whereas it's usually hard to control the speed at which
audio(visual) information is presented.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <philip.new...@gmail.com>
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2. Romance language forum (google-groups)
Posted by: "Daniel Hollande" dkholla...@yahoo.com
Date: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:50 pm ((PDT))
I am new to this mailing list, but no stranger to the
Hello everyone,
I am new to this mailing list, but no stranger to the concept. I am an
ex-Interlinguist, so I am used to the various mailing lists they have.
Several months ago I set up a Google-group Romance language forum, but I
haven't
had the time to plug it previously. That ends here.
I was wondering if there are any amongst you that have an interest in Romance
linguistics. Anyone would be welcome to take part there - whether that be to
help beginners improve their skills in the various Romances, to discuss aspects
about the languages, or if you have a particular penchant for constructed
Romance languages (naturalistic or not) you'd be most welcome to advance your
own Romance language of preference. We currently have only five members, so
please do sign up and participate if you're interested. We need the numbers!
Here's the link:
http://groups.google.com/group/forum-romances
I very much hope you all don't mind that I make a plug for yet another forum on
my first email here.
Greetings from England
Daniel
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3a. Re: Future English Languages
Posted by: "Richard Littauer" richard.litta...@gmail.com
Date: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:33 pm ((PDT))
I think it's a good idea. A lot of work has been done in world Englishes,
like Singlish or Guyanese English. I'm not sure where you would find
information on those, but if you could, I bet that they would be invaluable.
Also, remember that local american dialects are dying off, as far as I've
gathered, thanks to the media and the like. So, it'd be worth to think about
more than just local influences. Might as be worth considering the immigrant
populations for the various places where English changes: you'd end up with
a lot of variants on Spanglish, for instance.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Vincent Pistelli <pva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I may have already sent this message by accident so please disregard this
> if
> I did.
> I have recently been thinking about the possible future descendants of the
> English language. I am thinking about creating a conlang based on my local
> dialect(Pittsburgh English). I would do this by accentuating the features
> of the dialect that are different from Standard American English and basing
> a possible descendant of English on it. For example, in Pittsburgh
> English,
> most diphthongs have undergone monophthongization. I would accentuate this
> feature and eliminate all diphthongs in the future Pittsburgh English
> descendant. I assume this could be also done for large groups of dialects
> such as General American. What do yinz(you, plural in Pittsburgh English)
> think?
>
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3b. Re: Future English Languages
Posted by: "Ph.D." p...@phillipdriscoll.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:26 am ((PDT))
You might look at the Northern Cities Vowel Shift:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_cities_vowel_shift
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Littauer" <richard.litta...@gmail.com>
To: <conl...@listserv.brown.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Future English Languages
>I think it's a good idea. A lot of work has been done in world Englishes,
> like Singlish or Guyanese English. I'm not sure where you would find
> information on those, but if you could, I bet that they would be
> invaluable.
> Also, remember that local american dialects are dying off, as far as I've
> gathered, thanks to the media and the like. So, it'd be worth to think
> about
> more than just local influences. Might as be worth considering the
> immigrant
> populations for the various places where English changes: you'd end up
> with
> a lot of variants on Spanglish, for instance.
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Vincent Pistelli <pva...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I may have already sent this message by accident so please disregard this
>> if
>> I did.
>> I have recently been thinking about the possible future descendants of
>> the
>> English language. I am thinking about creating a conlang based on my
>> local
>> dialect(Pittsburgh English). I would do this by accentuating the
>> features
>> of the dialect that are different from Standard American English and
>> basing
>> a possible descendant of English on it. For example, in Pittsburgh
>> English,
>> most diphthongs have undergone monophthongization. I would accentuate
>> this
>> feature and eliminate all diphthongs in the future Pittsburgh English
>> descendant. I assume this could be also done for large groups of
>> dialects
>> such as General American. What do yinz(you, plural in Pittsburgh English)
>> think?
>>
>
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3c. Re: Future English Languages
Posted by: "Philip Newton" philip.new...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:45 am ((PDT))
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Vincent Pistelli <pva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have recently been thinking about the possible future descendants of the
> English language.
In case you're not aware of it: have a look at JBR's Futurese (
http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/futurese.html ), where he presents
a possible American English of 3000 AD.
Cheers,
Philip
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Philip Newton <philip.new...@gmail.com>
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3d. Re: Future English Languages
Posted by: "Karen Badham" ktbad...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:36 am ((PDT))
This thread reminds me of a recent XKCD comic.
http://xkcd.com/771/
-Karen Terry
http://anti-moliminous.blogspot.com/
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3e. Re: Future English Languages
Posted by: "Vincent Pistelli" pva...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:38 am ((PDT))
Also, remember that local american dialects are dying off, as far as I've
> gathered, thanks to the media and the like.
>
I'm not exactly trying to go for a probable result. It's more to have fun
just creating the language from existing dialects of native english
speakers. I have read quite a bit and things like Singlish, but I just
don't think it would be as fun to create a language based on that compared
to one based on my local dialect. In Pittsburgh, there has been a sort of
revival of the dialect. Just like there is language revival, there can be
dialect revival. I suppose that could be used as maybe an alternative
history where the dialect was revived so well that it eventually split off
into its own language.
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3f. Re: Future English Languages
Posted by: "Aidan Aannestad" tolkien_fr...@aannestad.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:18 am ((PDT))
> Also, remember that local american dialects are dying off, as far as
> I've gathered, thanks to the media and the like.
I've heard that they're still diverging despite mass media.
I love playing around with ideas like this (it's fun to extrapolate from what
seem to be currently ongoing changes). It'd be a fun project to work on, though
I don't know much about the Pittsburgh-area dialect (I'm from Texas).
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4a. Re: OT Facebook False Friends
Posted by: "Philip Newton" philip.new...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:38 am ((PDT))
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Lee <waywardwre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Facebook = evil
Now we need a conlang where /fesbuk/ means "evil" :)
ObConlang: does /fesbuk/ _vel sim_ mean anything in your conlang?
Cheers,
Philip
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Philip Newton <philip.new...@gmail.com>
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5.1. Re: False friends
Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com
Date: Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:19 am ((PDT))
I get that soapy taste, not from cilantro, but from habanero peppers.
Adam
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Eugene Oh <un.do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The ability to taste coriander as soapy is genetic - as in, literally some
> people have genes that make them allergic/something to coriander and only
> they find it soapy. Others just can't taste that chemical that makes it
> soapy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20 Aug 2010, at 03:22, Roger Mills <romi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/19/2010 12:33 PM, Roger Mills
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>> But coriander and cilantro are the same thing,
> >> AFAIK....though "coriander" is more likely to appear in an
> >> Asian/Indian recipe, "cilantro" in a Latin Amer. one. A
> >> powerful flavor, use with care :-))))
> >>>
> >>> OTOH Br.Engl has different words for a number of
> >> foodstuffs (among other things)-- courgette = zucchini, and
> >> a different word for eggplant too, as I recall.
> >>>
> >> Are you sure? I use coriander in a variety of dishes,
> >> and it's a gentle spice. Used with things like
> >> apple-based desserts for example. Cilantro on the
> >> other hand seems to be a very sharp flavor. I don't
> >> happen to have cilantro here so I can't verify, but they
> >> seem to taste different. I suppose that could be
> >> psychological.
> >>
> > _Reasonably sure_ they're the same. It could be that the seeds (ground)
> are less pungent than the leaves. I grew coriander in my garden once. The
> leaves are definitely pungent.... My distaste for it probably stems from
> initial uses, unfamiliar with it-- used too much, resulting in a soapy
> flavor (which is what the leaves taste like to me.)
> >
> > Of course, coriander is one of the ingredients of curry powder, though
> overwhelmed by all the other spices.
> >
> > On an old TV cooking program there were some interesting ancient Roman
> recipes-- things like leeks or fava beans sauteed, then flavored with
> coriander-- quite good actually.
> >
> >
> >
>
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