There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Future Englishes
From: Vincent Pistelli
1b. Re: Future Englishes
From: <deinx nxtxr>
1c. Re: Future Englishes
From: Samuel Stutter
2a. Re: OT: Mains/mines (was Re: Evolving determiners and gender markers
From: Alex Fink
2b. Re: OT: Mains/mines (was Re: Evolving determiners and gender markers
From: Samuel Stutter
3a. Anglo conlangs (< Future Englishes)
From: <deinx nxtxr>
4a. Re: OT Facebook False Friends
From: <deinx nxtxr>
5a. Re: making an oral conlang
From: <deinx nxtxr>
6a. Re: we like to verb things
From: <deinx nxtxr>
6b. Re: we like to verb things
From: MorphemeAddict
6c. Re: we like to verb things
From: Gary Shannon
7a. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Brett Williams
7b. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Samuel Stutter
7c. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Patrick Michael Niedzielski
7d. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Tony Harris
7e. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Patrick Michael Niedzielski
7f. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Roger Mills
7g. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Tony Harris
7h. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Tony Harris
7i. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Patrick Michael Niedzielski
7j. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Francois Remond
7k. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Roman Rausch
7l. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
From: Sai Emrys
8a. Re: Path vs. Manner Languages
From: Gary Shannon
8b. Re: Path vs. Manner Languages
From: Adam Walker
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1a. Re: Future Englishes
Posted by: "Vincent Pistelli" pva...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:23 am ((PDT))
This post was an accidental repeat(Didn't think it sent), There is more
discussion about it on the Future English Languages thread.
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Vincent Pistelli <pva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking about creating a conlang or a group of conlangs based on the
> many dialects of English, and and having each dialect or group of dialects
> become its own language like the modern day Romance languages that came from
> Latin. The first language I was planning on creating would be based on my
> local Pittsburgh dialect. I was planning on accentuating common features of
> the local dialect and its grammar. For example, due to the
> monophthongization of many diphthongs, I might accentuate that to eliminate
> all diphthongs in the future Pittsburgh-and-surrounding-region language. I
> could also accentuate much of the grammar. For example, I could make a
> mandatory reverse leave(would be pronounced in the language as live)-let
> usage. Any thoughts from yinz?
>
> --
> Vincent Pistelli
>
--
Vincent Pistelli
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1b. Re: Future Englishes
Posted by: "<deinx nxtxr>" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:06 am ((PDT))
On 8/22/10 5:24 AM, Daniel Nielsen wrote:
> Sorry, I don't have much to add to the Pittsburgh grammar discussion, but I
> keep thinking of the Southernization in the movie Nell :)
> @ tA In dV wI:n, @ skiU@ In dV bElA.
>
> Maybe some of the following phonological Southernization transforms:
> final -i to -A (belly->bellay)
> E to A (hell->hale)
> ai to a: (right->rahht)
> @U to aU (don't->daaunt)
> i to AI (here->hare)
> u to EU or V (who->heuu; you->ya)
> delete a or O (are->r; for->fr)
> N to In (-ing->-in')
> stop addition with consonant at beginning of next syllable (moron->mo-ron)
>
> "Who are you looking for. Well, I'm right here, moron."
> "Heuu r ya lookin' fr? We-uhl, ahm rahht hare, mo-ron."
>
> Even short of a conlang, this would be a fun program to write :)
To really make them different, make spelling reforms that fit each
dialect uniquely. There there will be all sort of variations for the
2nd person like "yal", "yunz", "yuz", "ya".
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1c. Re: Future Englishes
Posted by: "Samuel Stutter" sam.stut...@student.manchester.ac.uk
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:36 pm ((PDT))
A mancunian greeting,
Auri?
Perhaps we should all develop our own Englishes (only if we want, and on the
back burner of course) just to see how mutually unintelligible they become.
A mancunian farewell,
Luf je, maj,
Sam S
On 22 Aug 2010, at 18:03, "<deinx nxtxr>" <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
> On 8/22/10 5:24 AM, Daniel Nielsen wrote:
>> Sorry, I don't have much to add to the Pittsburgh grammar discussion, but I
>> keep thinking of the Southernization in the movie Nell :)
>> @ tA In dV wI:n, @ skiU@ In dV bElA.
>>
>> Maybe some of the following phonological Southernization transforms:
>> final -i to -A (belly->bellay)
>> E to A (hell->hale)
>> ai to a: (right->rahht)
>> @U to aU (don't->daaunt)
>> i to AI (here->hare)
>> u to EU or V (who->heuu; you->ya)
>> delete a or O (are->r; for->fr)
>> N to In (-ing->-in')
>> stop addition with consonant at beginning of next syllable (moron->mo-ron)
>>
>> "Who are you looking for. Well, I'm right here, moron."
>> "Heuu r ya lookin' fr? We-uhl, ahm rahht hare, mo-ron."
>>
>> Even short of a conlang, this would be a fun program to write :)
>
> To really make them different, make spelling reforms that fit each dialect
> uniquely. There there will be all sort of variations for the 2nd person like
> "yal", "yunz", "yuz", "ya".
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2a. Re: OT: Mains/mines (was Re: Evolving determiners and gender markers
Posted by: "Alex Fink" 000...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:35 am ((PDT))
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:08:44 -0500, Eric Christopherson <ra...@charter.net>
wrote:
>Reviving a dead thread. I was looking up the word _mains_ (referring to AC
power on the right side of the pond) at
<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mains>...
[...]
>The etymology given connects _main_ with OE _mægen_, which I know
_might(y)_ is also related to.
>
>Back to the reason I was looking up _mains_: is it used with a singular
verb? And what is the etymology of that specific sense of _mains_ (i.e. why
does it have -s)?
The OED suggests no more satisfying reason than just that the principal
power lines tend to be spoken of collectively:
MAIN n.1 8. A principal channel, duct, or conductor for conveying water,
sewage, gas, or (usu. in pl.) electricity. Cf. MAIN adj.2 5a, MAINSBORNE
adj. Also in pl.: the public supply of water, (or electricity, etc.)
collectively. Also fig.
Funnily, of their 15 citations, none of them has "mains" as the subject of a
verb.
Anyway, beyond that, this is the plain old inherited word "main", as you
saw. OED calls this use a re-nominalisation of the adj., which itself is
"[p]robably partly < MAIN n.1 in compounds in Old English; partly < the
cognate early Scandinavian adjective (compare Old Icelandic meginn, megn
strong, powerful), and also < the corresponding early Scandinavian noun in
compounds (see below).". It was the adj. that originally underwent the
development 'strong, powerful' > 'principal'.
>The site shows a sense "the main or home farm of a manor, as where the
owner lives; manse."; perhaps it's related to that. _Manse_, in turn, comes
from ML _ma:nsus_ "farm, dwelling", which I believe is related to
_mansion_/_maison_.
Yeah, separate etymology. OED: "Shortened < the plural of DEMESNE n. 3",
where ultimately "Demesne is thus a differentiated spelling of the word
DOMAIN", tracing to "L. dominic-us, -um of or belonging to a lord or master,
f. dominus lord". The association with words from L. _mansio_ is old,
though, and probably explains the <s> in the spelling.
Alex
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2b. Re: OT: Mains/mines (was Re: Evolving determiners and gender markers
Posted by: "Samuel Stutter" sam.stut...@student.manchester.ac.uk
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:43 pm ((PDT))
If you're interested,
Never heard of the "mains" plural being used for water, always heard
the singular ('the water main is burst again'). And, what with
electricity supply being (thankfully) pretty constant, I never really
use it as a verb's subject. However, thinking about it, 'the mains is
pretty constant' seems right, "the mains are constant" sounds wrong to
me. Then again, am I using "mains" as an adjective for the absent
"electricity"?
Dunno, but I'd say singular.
Sam S, reporting from the usually rainy Manchester
On 22 Aug 2010, at 15:33, Alex Fink wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 01:08:44 -0500, Eric Christopherson <ra...@charter.net
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Reviving a dead thread. I was looking up the word _mains_
>> (referring to AC
> power on the right side of the pond) at
> <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mains>...
> [...]
>> The etymology given connects _main_ with OE _mægen_, which I know
> _might(y)_ is also related to.
>>
>> Back to the reason I was looking up _mains_: is it used with a
>> singular
> verb? And what is the etymology of that specific sense of _mains_
> (i.e. why
> does it have -s)?
>
> The OED suggests no more satisfying reason than just that the
> principal
> power lines tend to be spoken of collectively:
> MAIN n.1 8. A principal channel, duct, or conductor for conveying
> water,
> sewage, gas, or (usu. in pl.) electricity. Cf. MAIN adj.2 5a,
> MAINSBORNE
> adj. Also in pl.: the public supply of water, (or electricity, etc.)
> collectively. Also fig.
>
> Funnily, of their 15 citations, none of them has "mains" as the
> subject of a
> verb.
>
> Anyway, beyond that, this is the plain old inherited word "main", as
> you
> saw. OED calls this use a re-nominalisation of the adj., which
> itself is
> "[p]robably partly < MAIN n.1 in compounds in Old English; partly <
> the
> cognate early Scandinavian adjective (compare Old Icelandic meginn,
> megn
> strong, powerful), and also < the corresponding early Scandinavian
> noun in
> compounds (see below).". It was the adj. that originally underwent
> the
> development 'strong, powerful' > 'principal'.
>
>> The site shows a sense "the main or home farm of a manor, as where
>> the
> owner lives; manse."; perhaps it's related to that. _Manse_, in
> turn, comes
> from ML _ma:nsus_ "farm, dwelling", which I believe is related to
> _mansion_/_maison_.
>
> Yeah, separate etymology. OED: "Shortened < the plural of DEMESNE
> n. 3",
> where ultimately "Demesne is thus a differentiated spelling of the
> word
> DOMAIN", tracing to "L. dominic-us, -um of or belonging to a lord or
> master,
> f. dominus lord". The association with words from L. _mansio_ is old,
> though, and probably explains the <s> in the spelling.
>
> Alex
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3a. Anglo conlangs (< Future Englishes)
Posted by: "<deinx nxtxr>" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:02 am ((PDT))
On 8/20/10 6:21 PM, Vincent Pistelli wrote:
> I was thinking about creating a conlang or a group of conlangs based on the
> many dialects of English, and and having each dialect or group of dialects
> become its own language like the modern day Romance languages that came from
> Latin. The first language I was planning on creating would be based on my
> local Pittsburgh dialect. I was planning on accentuating common features of
> the local dialect and its grammar. For example, due to the
> monophthongization of many diphthongs, I might accentuate that to eliminate
> all diphthongs in the future Pittsburgh-and-surrounding-region language. I
> could also accentuate much of the grammar. For example, I could make a
> mandatory reverse leave(would be pronounced in the language as live)-let
> usage. Any thoughts from yinz?
>
I've thought of similar projects before, and actually have been thinking
about spinning of a future Spanish too based on certain trends.
I've already done my hypthetical future English, LiÅlıs:
http://conlang.dana.nutter.net/index.php/Li%C5%8Bgl%C4%B1s
I also have an auxlang based on English, Ingli:
http://conlang.dana.nutter.net/index.php/Ingli
And just for kicks, I made an Anglicized Esperantic language, Esperingle:
http://conlang.dana.nutter.net/index.php/Esperingle
I don't know if there are any more Anglo conlangs coming up, but OGL is
taking most of its lexicon from English, mostly for the sake of
convenience. I've also considered taking another loglang like Lojban or
Loglan and relexing it with anglo-influence roots.
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4a. Re: OT Facebook False Friends
Posted by: "<deinx nxtxr>" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:09 am ((PDT))
On 8/20/10 1:59 PM, Lee wrote:
> Facebook = evil
It's not a bad way to keep in touch with friends and relative as well as
connect with people that share a common interest, but I don't trust
their privacy settings at all so beware of what information you post.
There are a few conlanging group on there, and I do have a few links to
people here and from Auxlang (where I'm no longer subscribed).
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5a. Re: making an oral conlang
Posted by: "<deinx nxtxr>" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:16 am ((PDT))
On 8/19/10 1:46 AM, Dale McCreery wrote:
> Has anyone here tried creating a purely oral conlang? By this I mean
> conceiving all the grammar, vocabulary, expressions, all without resorting
> to writing anything down. I suppose you could use audio recordings, but
> labeling files would have to be done without using any words in the
> language, and not using recordings would be the real challenge... An
> equal challenge would be to see if we are even capable of creating words
> and sounds without assigning them a symbolic representation in our minds.
> This might be the barrier that we couldn't overcome... Any thoughts?
I've had quite a few conlangs started in my mind without ever
documenting them. I suppose there may come a time where I'll get
serious enough to give them some type of written form so I can share them.
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6a. Re: we like to verb things
Posted by: "<deinx nxtxr>" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:21 am ((PDT))
On 8/19/10 7:26 AM, René Uittenbogaard wrote:
> Today I saw a new sublime example of how the Dutch like to "verb" words:
> Someone reported in a support ticket "The order status in the browser should
> have changed, but I F5-ed for a long time and didn't see any change."
>
> Just wanted to share this :)
I like to verb things too.
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6b. Re: we like to verb things
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" lytl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:25 am ((PDT))
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org>wrote:
> On 8/19/10 7:26 AM, René Uittenbogaard wrote:
>
>> Today I saw a new sublime example of how the Dutch like to "verb" words:
>> Someone reported in a support ticket "The order status in the browser
>> should
>> have changed, but I F5-ed for a long time and didn't see any change."
>>
>> Just wanted to share this :)
>>
>
> I like to verb things too.
>
I like to thing verbs too.
stevo
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6c. Re: we like to verb things
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:11 am ((PDT))
Are you saying you like verbly change nouny things, or that you you
like to nounly change verby things?
--gary
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:23 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org>wrote:
>
>> On 8/19/10 7:26 AM, René Uittenbogaard wrote:
>>
>>> Today I saw a new sublime example of how the Dutch like to "verb" words:
>>> Someone reported in a support ticket "The order status in the browser
>>> should
>>> have changed, but I F5-ed for a long time and didn't see any change."
>>>
>>> Just wanted to share this :)
>>>
>>
>> I like to verb things too.
>>
>
> I like to thing verbs too.
>
> stevo
>
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7a. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Brett Williams" mungoje...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:00 am ((PDT))
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Language Creation Society
<l...@conlang.org> wrote:
>
> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into your
> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
I'll do Lojban:
> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
"bangu ca'e"
(The word "ca'e" marks things that become true by the very fact of
being said, the canonical example being "I now pronounce you husband
and wife".)
> 2. "conlangs"
"runbau"
(From "run" = "rutni" = artificial and "bau" = "bangu" = language.)
> 3. [friendly greeting]
"coi" is the usual greeting, or if you're welcoming someone as well we
say "coi fi'i" (hello and welcome)
<3,
la stela selckiku
aka
mungojelly
aka
bret-ram
aka
veret'he
aka
brett
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7b. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Samuel Stutter" sam.stut...@student.manchester.ac.uk
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:23 pm ((PDT))
Sorry if some of the characters don't come out to clearly in the
email, or if the IPA doesn't at all. It's just so hard to break a
habit. :)
Oh, and, by the way, the circumflex over the e on "cånnê" does look
rather like an "o" diacritic, doesn't it?
"Fiat Lingua" becomes "Spáråk, Cånnê" (spæÉ:k ÊÉ:n:É),
"*politely* speak, *fellow brothers and sisters*"
"Conlang" becomes "Tònra-mÇllad" (tonɹÉ: mÉladÉ), "language-
fictional"
And
"*friendly greeting*" becomes "hej" (hÉj), same meaning as the
Swedish :)
Hej cånnê,
Sam S
On 22 Aug 2010, at 18:50, Brett Williams wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Language Creation Society
> <l...@conlang.org> wrote:
>>
>> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into
>> your
>> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
>
> I'll do Lojban:
>
>> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
>
> "bangu ca'e"
>
> (The word "ca'e" marks things that become true by the very fact of
> being said, the canonical example being "I now pronounce you husband
> and wife".)
>
>> 2. "conlangs"
>
> "runbau"
>
> (From "run" = "rutni" = artificial and "bau" = "bangu" = language.)
>
>> 3. [friendly greeting]
>
> "coi" is the usual greeting, or if you're welcoming someone as well we
> say "coi fi'i" (hello and welcome)
>
> <3,
> la stela selckiku
> aka
> mungojelly
> aka
> bret-ram
> aka
> veret'he
> aka
> brett
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7c. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Patrick Michael Niedzielski" patrickniedziel...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:46 pm ((PDT))
Saluton!
> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into your
> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
> 2. "conlangs"
> 3. [friendly greeting]
I suppose I'll do Esperanto, to help in my learning of it...my conlang
is not to the point that I could translate these...
1. "Fiat lingua" -> FariÄu Äi lingvon
2. "conlangs" -> planlingvoj
3. [friendly greeting] -> saluton
> If you want either, you have ideas for other cool stuff that you'd
> want to have, or you have good skill in Photoshop and can help compose
> the results artfully, please let us know.
I do not use Photoshop...but I can do vector art in Inkscape, which is
scalable. If you want my help, please contact me at
<patrickniedziel...@gmail.com>. I would be glad to assist.
Äis l'revido,
Patrick Niedzielski
--
Humm and Strumm <http://hummstrumm.blogspot.com/>, a Free Software 3D
adventure game for both Windows and *NIX.
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7d. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Tony Harris" t...@alurhsa.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:51 pm ((PDT))
I think "Fiat lingua!" in Esperanto would more commonly be "FariÄu
lingvo!", since the Latin original means "Be-made language!", wouldn't it?
On 08/22/2010 04:44 PM, Patrick Michael Niedzielski wrote:
> Saluton!
>
>
>> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into your
>> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
>> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
>> 2. "conlangs"
>> 3. [friendly greeting]
>>
> I suppose I'll do Esperanto, to help in my learning of it...my conlang
> is not to the point that I could translate these...
>
> 1. "Fiat lingua" -> FariÄu Äi lingvon
> 2. "conlangs" -> planlingvoj
> 3. [friendly greeting] -> saluton
>
>
>> If you want either, you have ideas for other cool stuff that you'd
>> want to have, or you have good skill in Photoshop and can help compose
>> the results artfully, please let us know.
>>
> I do not use Photoshop...but I can do vector art in Inkscape, which is
> scalable. If you want my help, please contact me at
> <patrickniedziel...@gmail.com>. I would be glad to assist.
>
> Äis l'revido,
> Patrick Niedzielski
>
>
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7e. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Patrick Michael Niedzielski" patrickniedziel...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:00 pm ((PDT))
On dim, 2010-08-22 at 16:48 -0400, Tony Harris wrote:
> I think "Fiat lingua!" in Esperanto would more commonly be "FariÄu
> lingvo!", since the Latin original means "Be-made language!", wouldn't it?
Hm...my Latin isn't up...I read the Latin as "Let it be made a
language". That Esperanto would mean "May the language be made."
Thanks,
Patrick
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7f. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Roger Mills" romi...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:04 pm ((PDT))
--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Language Creation Society <l...@conlang.org> wrote:
> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a
> translation into your
> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
Kash (Roger Mills) -- http://cinduworld.tripod.com/contents.htm
> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
endo ya sende 'may/let there be language' (_ya_ is a permissible shrotening of
yale 'he/is is, there is' esp. after the optative particle _endo_)
> 2. "conlangs"
several possibilities, what do y'all think:
(best IMO) sende ahan 'created/invented lang.' // maybe sende trafun(ga)
'art(istic) lang.'?? // sende volu 'assembled (man-made) lang.' (seems more
appropriate maybe to an auxlang or computer lang.??? // (remote) sende panip
'play lang.' ????
> 3. [friendly greeting]
manó = [man'o:] (shorted from manomo 'I greet')
>
> If they have a native orthography, please include a link to
> an
> in-orthography version - preferably as text + font, so we
> can scale /
> color it as needed.
I'll send a native script version later. (David Peterson has-- or at least had
at one point-- the Kash font, if that helps.)
Aim for translations that would be
> natural
> in-culture (e.g. if there were an LCS there, what would
> our
> doppelgangers say?) more than literalistic.
Duly noted ;-)))
>
> Please include the conlang name, a URL of its home page (if
> any), and
> what name you want to be credited by. Contributors will be
> credited on
> the LCS website, but we don't have enough margin to be able
> to give
> you a cut of the (very small) profits*.
>
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7g. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Tony Harris" t...@alurhsa.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:06 pm ((PDT))
The Latin is a take-off of the Biblical phrase "Fiat lux!" in Genesis
1:3, which is literally "Be-made light!" and is the passive present
subjunctive of "Facere" (to make) I think. It is taken to mean "Let
there be light!" and is from the Hebrew "Y'hÄ«y År!" which is perhaps
more literally "Be light!" as in "Let light be being in existance" more
or less. In the Esperanto Bible, that's actually translated as "Estu
lumo!" so perhaps actually "Estu lingvo!" might even be the best
translation, even if in our conlanging case "FariÄu lingvo!" might be
more accurate.
On 08/22/2010 04:51 PM, Patrick Michael Niedzielski wrote:
> On dim, 2010-08-22 at 16:48 -0400, Tony Harris wrote:
>
>> I think "Fiat lingua!" in Esperanto would more commonly be "FariÄu
>> lingvo!", since the Latin original means "Be-made language!", wouldn't it?
>>
> Hm...my Latin isn't up...I read the Latin as "Let it be made a
> language". That Esperanto would mean "May the language be made."
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
>
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7h. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Tony Harris" t...@alurhsa.org
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:28 pm ((PDT))
On 08/22/2010 04:48 AM, Language Creation Society wrote:
> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into your
> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
> 2. "conlangs"
> 3. [friendly greeting]
>
>
In Alurhsa:
1. Vìgáyn hálye!
2. Vreleksá hálye
3. Kalsí!
In Tariatta:
1. Fessa yeru!
2. Lalessa yeru
3. Matale!
I, also, will send native text, and name, URL, etc. in a day or so.
Unfortunately the Alurhsa font I've made isn't the best looking thing in
the world, and I have no font for the Vesul script used by Tariatta.
Would scanned graphics be okay for Tariatta? I'll send the Alurhsa one
even if it's not so nice looking as it could be.
Oh, and definitely let us know on the flag thing, including cost. If
the full size one can get down into the $20-$40 range I'll definitely
want one!
No LCC3 conference T-shirt I see? Bummer. That was the only LCC I've
made it to so far. And it sounds like LCC4 is rather in question last I
heard. :-(
For the curious, the literal translations, roots, etc. of the above:
Alurhsa:
1. Vìgáyn hálye is from the 3rd person present imperative of vìgâ (to
be, be present, exist) and the word "hálye" meaning language.
2. Vreleksá is an adjectival form of vreleksâ, to build, form,
construct, which in turn is derived from roots vr* meaning "build" and
leks* meaning "form or shape". Hálye remains in the singular because in
Alurhsa you only use the plural when you really have to.
3. Kalsí is just a general "hi", most likely somehow from káls (such)
and probably included some extra words long forgotten that would cause
that to make sense.
Tariatta:
1. Fessa is the infinitive, and also thus the imperative, of "to be, be
present, exist". Yeru is language.
2. Lalessa is the past passive participle of lessa, to make or
construct. Like Alurhsa, yeru is singular because in Tariatta you
rarely bother with plurals unless you have to be that specific.
3. Matale literally means "Bright day!", from "mata" bright, and "ale"
daytime.
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7i. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Patrick Michael Niedzielski" patrickniedziel...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:02 pm ((PDT))
On dim, 2010-08-22 at 17:04 -0400, Tony Harris wrote:
> The Latin is a take-off of the Biblical phrase "Fiat lux!" in Genesis
> 1:3, which is literally "Be-made light!" and is the passive present
> subjunctive of "Facere" (to make) I think. It is taken to mean "Let
> there be light!" and is from the Hebrew "Y'hÄ«y År!" which is perhaps
> more literally "Be light!" as in "Let light be being in existance" more
> or less. In the Esperanto Bible, that's actually translated as "Estu
> lumo!" so perhaps actually "Estu lingvo!" might even be the best
> translation, even if in our conlanging case "FariÄu lingvo!" might be
> more accurate.
Thanks Tony!
I'm familiar with that line:
"Kaj Dio diris, "Estu lumo", kaj fariÄis lumo."
Let's use "FariÄu lingvo" then. :)
Cheers,
Patrick
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7j. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Francois Remond" opinio...@free.fr
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:04 pm ((PDT))
Hello Conlang lovers !
>
> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into your
> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
Here's mine :
Language : Neo-Gaulish
Type : Indo-European, Celtic
1. "Fiat Lingua !":
"Auθitor tabad !"
[optative-passive form of verb"*auu" (create, manufacture) + tabad (tongue>
language)]
2. "Conlangs" :
"Dugitia tabad"
[adjectivized form from "docni" (creation) [cf > dugilos : creator]]
3. [Greeting] :
"Suauelo Slan !"
[litt. "let-you-be unharmed"]
----------------------------------------------
Language : Czlifenzö
Type : Romance/ Germanic (East-european)
1. "Fiat Lingua !":
"Szit swridjha !"
[litt. Let-be language]
2. "Conlangs" :
"Swridjhaï creataï"
[litt. created languages]
3. [Greeting] :
"Godzadiu !"
[litt. good day]
Regards,
François Rémond
(opinio...@free.fr)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Language Creation Society" <l...@conlang.org>
To: <conl...@listserv.brown.edu>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:48 AM
Subject: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
> We'd like to have the Language Creation Society make some cool conlanger
> schwag.
>
> One idea is to have our motto, "Fiat ingua", in a large number of
> conlangs, composed into an image - somewhat like the LJ conlangs
> userpic (http://l-userpic.livejournal.com/2027814/350076) - and put on
> various things like ties, mugs, shirts, etc.
>
> If you'd like to help, please post or email us a translation into your
> conlang(s) (or conlangs you like) of:
> 1. "Fiat lingua!"
> 2. "conlangs"
> 3. [friendly greeting]
>
> If they have a native orthography, please include a link to an
> in-orthography version - preferably as text + font, so we can scale /
> color it as needed. Aim for translations that would be natural
> in-culture (e.g. if there were an LCS there, what would our
> doppelgangers say?) more than literalistic.
>
> Please include the conlang name, a URL of its home page (if any), and
> what name you want to be credited by. Contributors will be credited on
> the LCS website, but we don't have enough margin to be able to give
> you a cut of the (very small) profits*.
>
> As a reminder, a great-looking cloissoné conlang flag lapel pin is a
> token of LCS membership (http://conlang.org/members.php - the photo
> doesn't do it justice). And we're still gathering enough people to do
> another group buy of full-size, real-cloth conlang flags
> (http://conlang.org/flag.php).
>
> If you want either, you have ideas for other cool stuff that you'd
> want to have, or you have good skill in Photoshop and can help compose
> the results artfully, please let us know.
>
> Thanks,
> Sai Emrys
> LCS President
>
> * For reference, our total profit on schwag sold since 2006 is only
> ~$40, most of which went towards expenses for the Language Creation
> Conference.
>
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7k. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Roman Rausch" ara...@mail.ru
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:12 pm ((PDT))
Talmit (Roman Rausch) http://sindanoorie.atspace.com/Talmit.htm
1. Fiat lingua
Tálmi-ja agó-nójo pánta
2. conlangs
kangús-antálmai
3. greeting
halíos-nóire!
glossary:
1. lit. 'Be many words in a state of existence'
_tal_ 'word', gr. pl. _talmi_ 'many words', idiom. = 'language'
_ja_ - postposition indicating a subject which is in some state
_agó_ 'state of existence'
_nójo_ - postposition indicating the state the subject is in
_pánta_ - sentence-ending particle expressing a wish
2. lit. 'artistic word-collections'
_kangús_ 'artistic vision' < _kan_ 'real 3-dim. shape', _gus_ 'imagined
shape in mind'
_an-_ - plural prefix
_tálmai_ 'particular collection of words', also = 'language', but now
opposed to other languages
3. lit. 'rejoice, be in a state of happiness!'
_halís_ 'state of happiness'
_halíos_ - normally future tense by u-infixion, but with the imperative a
polite request rather than a command
_nóire_ - imperative of _nójo_ above
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7l. Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)
Posted by: "Sai Emrys" s...@saizai.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:53 pm ((PDT))
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Tony Harris <t...@alurhsa.org> wrote:
> Would scanned graphics be okay for Tariatta?
Scans are OK if they are written very large and have a high-resolution
scan. We tend to get poor results with e.g. scans of normal
pen-writing. Mind that it'll need to be composited with other text,
right, not just displayed by itself.
Fonts typically scale much better. But, whatever works. :-P
> Oh, and definitely let us know on the flag thing, including cost. If the
> full size one can get down into the $20-$40 range I'll definitely want one!
The cost is in that range when there are enough buyers. It's very
significantly affected by economy of scale, since most of the cost is
in making the screen for the screenprinting, rather than in producing
the flags themselves. I've added you to the list.
> No LCC3 conference T-shirt I see?
Yeah, we never made one. :-/ We'll put out a call for an LCC4 logo
once the location/time is decided. We're still going through a few
possibilities to try to be a bit more sure this time that everything
will work out.
- Sai
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8a. Re: Path vs. Manner Languages
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:28 pm ((PDT))
I was thinking a sentence might have two verbs, one for path and one
for manner arranged in an SVOV structure, with the tense marking
auxiliary in front of the first verb: "He did run the room leave." or
"He was running the room leaving." The manner verb would not be
necessary with a non-path verb: "He will the book read." But it might
still be optionally included: "He will walk the book read." if he
intends to read the book while walking, as opposed to "He was sitting
the book reading."
Or maybe reverse the order of the two verbs: "He did leave the room
run." "He was reading the book sitting." "He will read the book walk."
--gary
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:10 PM, vii iiix <v...@live.com.au> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was just wondering (I was sititing in my Semantics lecture and got bored
> and started to think) if i was possible and plausible to have a language
> which combined both Path and Manner?
> What do you think, and I'm assuming you all know Path and Manner languages?
>
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8b. Re: Path vs. Manner Languages
Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:26 pm ((PDT))
This is very interesting...
Adam
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Gary Shannon <fizi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was thinking a sentence might have two verbs, one for path and one
> for manner arranged in an SVOV structure, with the tense marking
> auxiliary in front of the first verb: "He did run the room leave." or
> "He was running the room leaving." The manner verb would not be
> necessary with a non-path verb: "He will the book read." But it might
> still be optionally included: "He will walk the book read." if he
> intends to read the book while walking, as opposed to "He was sitting
> the book reading."
>
> Or maybe reverse the order of the two verbs: "He did leave the room
> run." "He was reading the book sitting." "He will read the book walk."
>
> --gary
>
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:10 PM, vii iiix <v...@live.com.au> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I was just wondering (I was sititing in my Semantics lecture and got
> bored and started to think) if i was possible and plausible to have a
> language which combined both Path and Manner?
> > What do you think, and I'm assuming you all know Path and Manner
> languages?
> >
>
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