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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Adam Walker
1b. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Tony Harris
1c. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Jörg Rhiemeier
1d. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Rebecca Bettencourt
1e. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: David Peterson
1f. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Parker Glynn-Adey
1g. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Rebecca Bettencourt
1h. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Patrick Dunn
1i. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: David Johnson
1j. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: R A Brown
1k. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Jim Henry
1l. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
From: Adam Walker
2a. Re: And/or
From: Dana Nutter
2b. Re: And/or
From: Anthony Miles
3a. Re: And/ or
From: Dale McCreery
3b. Re: And/ or
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
3c. Re: And/ or
From: René Uittenbogaard
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1a. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 8:57 am ((PDT))
Sad to hear that he is gone. I remember looking forward to his posts about
amman iar. He is one of many folks from the old day who I wish were still
posting. I guess I'll be in nostalgia mode for the rest of the day.
Adam
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:02 AM, David Peterson <deda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The winner of the 2010 Smiley Award is ámman îar.
>
> Before I post any links, let me give some background. ámman
> îar (uncapitalized by preference, I believe) is the masterwork
> of David Bell, a conlanger who, in the tradition of Tolkien, worked
> from a proto-language to create languages to populate the land
> of ámman, his creation. He was a member of the Conlang List
> for many years in the early days of the list, and had a website with
> a large reference grammar detailing amman iar, among other
> things. It was hosted at graywizard.net.
>
> A couple years ago, I noticed that graywizard.net had lapsed.
> Its pages were still available via archive.org, but as David Bell
> was advanced in age, I wondered if he had taken ill, or worse.
> A whois search on graywizard.net turned up a telephone number
> and an address. I tried the telephone number, but it had been
> disconnected. I also sent a letter to the address using LCS
> letterhead, but I never heard anything from it or its intended
> recipient after sending it.
>
> On a hunch, I went back to the archived version of David's personal
> page to see if any of his family members might have some sort
> of web presence (this is something I'd tried in the past without
> success). This is when I noticed, for the first time (how I missed it
> earlier, I have no idea), a mention of David's brother, John Bell,
> who was a dj at Z100, a New York radio station. I figured someone
> that famous would have to have something on the web.
>
> A search on John Bell turned up something rather interesting. He
> was no longer listed as a dj at Z100, but there were a few news
> stories written about him--and recently. Apparently, he was fired
> without warning and without good reason one day after nearly thirty
> years of service. Once word of this had spread, outraged fans began
> flooding the station with e-mails and phone calls, and even set up a
> Facebook page in protest:
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Bring-John-Bell-back-to-z100-or-we-boycott/108116159214086?ref=ts
>
> After e-mailing the author of the news articles, I chanced upon
> John Bell's own Facebook page. I sent him a message via Facebook,
> letting him know I was looking for his brother, and about a week ago,
> I got the bad news: David Bell had died a few years back.
>
> Long-tenured members here will remember David and ámman îar.
> He was a good conlanger, and ámman îar is one of the best and
> most detailed artlangs I've ever seen described on the web. I wish
> I could have given this award, prestigious though it isn't, to ámman
> îar while he was still alive, but things don't always turn out the way
> we plan. ámman îar is well-deserving of the Smiley, and I invite you
> to read my full write-up here:
>
> http://dedalvs.com/smileys/2010.html
>
> In addition, I've been working over the past few days to restore
> David's original site. I've taken what I can find from archive.org
> and moved it to a new location:
>
> graywizard.conlang.org
>
> I'm not finished yet (there are a lot of files to transfer, and some
> editing is required to make sure everything shows up), but I have
> (I'm almost certain) finished restoring all his conlang pages. His
> reference grammar for ámman îar, though unfinished, was a great
> example of how to present a conlang on the web, and I think it's
> important that the effort represented by his website be preserved
> so that future conlangers can benefit by his example and learn
> about ámman îar.
>
> Though it's come too late, congratulations to David, and may he
> rest in peace.
>
> -David
> *******************************************************************
> "A male love inevivi i'ala'i oku i ue pokulu'ume o heki a."
> "No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn."
>
> -Jim Morrison
>
> http://dedalvs.com/
>
> LCS Member Since 2007
> http://conlang.org/
>
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1b. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Tony Harris" t...@alurhsa.org
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:04 am ((PDT))
Very sad news indeed. David will be remembered fondly by those of us
who've been in the Conlanging universe for a long time. Ná sálä
dhyáns-táshnenÿ. (Peace to his spirit).
Thank you for finding, and restoring, David's website so his work will
live on!
On 09/01/2010 08:02 AM, David Peterson wrote:
> The winner of the 2010 Smiley Award is ámman îar.
>
> Before I post any links, let me give some background. ámman
> îar (uncapitalized by preference, I believe) is the masterwork
> of David Bell, a conlanger who, in the tradition of Tolkien, worked
> from a proto-language to create languages to populate the land
> of ámman, his creation. He was a member of the Conlang List
> for many years in the early days of the list, and had a website with
> a large reference grammar detailing amman iar, among other
> things. It was hosted at graywizard.net.
>
> A couple years ago, I noticed that graywizard.net had lapsed.
> Its pages were still available via archive.org, but as David Bell
> was advanced in age, I wondered if he had taken ill, or worse.
> A whois search on graywizard.net turned up a telephone number
> and an address. I tried the telephone number, but it had been
> disconnected. I also sent a letter to the address using LCS
> letterhead, but I never heard anything from it or its intended
> recipient after sending it.
>
> On a hunch, I went back to the archived version of David's personal
> page to see if any of his family members might have some sort
> of web presence (this is something I'd tried in the past without
> success). This is when I noticed, for the first time (how I missed it
> earlier, I have no idea), a mention of David's brother, John Bell,
> who was a dj at Z100, a New York radio station. I figured someone
> that famous would have to have something on the web.
>
> A search on John Bell turned up something rather interesting. He
> was no longer listed as a dj at Z100, but there were a few news
> stories written about him--and recently. Apparently, he was fired
> without warning and without good reason one day after nearly thirty
> years of service. Once word of this had spread, outraged fans began
> flooding the station with e-mails and phone calls, and even set up a
> Facebook page in protest:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/pages/Bring-John-Bell-back-to-z100-or-we-boycott/108116159214086?ref=ts
>
> After e-mailing the author of the news articles, I chanced upon
> John Bell's own Facebook page. I sent him a message via Facebook,
> letting him know I was looking for his brother, and about a week ago,
> I got the bad news: David Bell had died a few years back.
>
> Long-tenured members here will remember David and ámman îar.
> He was a good conlanger, and ámman îar is one of the best and
> most detailed artlangs I've ever seen described on the web. I wish
> I could have given this award, prestigious though it isn't, to ámman
> îar while he was still alive, but things don't always turn out the way
> we plan. ámman îar is well-deserving of the Smiley, and I invite you
> to read my full write-up here:
>
> http://dedalvs.com/smileys/2010.html
>
> In addition, I've been working over the past few days to restore
> David's original site. I've taken what I can find from archive.org
> and moved it to a new location:
>
> graywizard.conlang.org
>
> I'm not finished yet (there are a lot of files to transfer, and some
> editing is required to make sure everything shows up), but I have
> (I'm almost certain) finished restoring all his conlang pages. His
> reference grammar for ámman îar, though unfinished, was a great
> example of how to present a conlang on the web, and I think it's
> important that the effort represented by his website be preserved
> so that future conlangers can benefit by his example and learn
> about ámman îar.
>
> Though it's come too late, congratulations to David, and may he
> rest in peace.
>
> -David
> *******************************************************************
> "A male love inevivi i'ala'i oku i ue pokulu'ume o heki a."
> "No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn."
>
> -Jim Morrison
>
> http://dedalvs.com/
>
> LCS Member Since 2007
> http://conlang.org/
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1c. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Jörg Rhiemeier" joerg_rhieme...@web.de
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:34 pm ((PDT))
Hallo!
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:02:46 -0700, David Peterson wrote:
> The winner of the 2010 Smiley Award is ámman îar.
A very worthy winner indeed. ámman îar always was one of my
favourite conlangs (though I must confess that I let it slip
out of my mind somewhat when the author had ceased posting here
and his web site disappeared); it epitomizes what I feel to make
out the essence of the kind of conlang I like most: naturalistic,
deep, and well-considered.
> [...]
>
> After e-mailing the author of the news articles, I chanced upon
> John Bell's own Facebook page. I sent him a message via Facebook,
> letting him know I was looking for his brother, and about a week ago,
> I got the bad news: David Bell had died a few years back.
I am saddened to hear that. I have wondered what had happened to
David Bell by myself; but hearing that he has passed away, nevermore
to enrich the discussion on this list, is sad indeed. May he find
eternal happiness in another more perfect world.
> [...]
> In addition, I've been working over the past few days to restore
> David's original site. I've taken what I can find from archive.org
> and moved it to a new location:
>
> graywizard.conlang.org
That is a great service to us all. This language is too awesome to
let it fall into oblivion. Thank you!
--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
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1d. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Rebecca Bettencourt" beckie...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 2:14 pm ((PDT))
Your mirror is missing a critical file:
http://graywizard.conlang.org/System/fonts.zip
Which I found in the Internet Archive here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071019160810/http://www.graywizard.net/System/fonts.zip
I dare you to guess what I want that file for. ;)
-- Rebecca Bettencourt
"I could counter with the fact that a disproportionate number of TG
women I know are computer programmers. ::grin:: In fact, there's a
joke going around that says exposure to computer screens causes
transsexuality." -- Kate Bornstein
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1e. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "David Peterson" deda...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 2:53 pm ((PDT))
On Sep 1, 2010, at 2â10 PM, Rebecca Bettencourt wrote:
> Your mirror is missing a critical file:
>
> http://graywizard.conlang.org/System/fonts.zip
>
> Which I found in the Internet Archive here:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20071019160810/http://www.graywizard.net/System/fonts.zip
>
> I dare you to guess what I want that file for. ;)
Oh, I forgot! I've had the font installed for ages, so I completely
forgot it was needed. If you refresh the page now, you'll be able
to download the fonts. :)
-David
*******************************************************************
"Sunlü eleÅ¡karez ügrallerüf üjjixelye ye oxömeyze."
"No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn."
-Jim Morrison
http://dedalvs.com/
LCS Member Since 2007
http://conlang.org/
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1f. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Parker Glynn-Adey" parkerglynna...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 7:05 pm ((PDT))
>
> In addition, I've been working over the past few days to restore
> David's original site. I've taken what I can find from archive.org
> and moved it to a new location:
>
> graywizard.conlang.org
>
>
In the work of transitioning his material to Conlang.org, perhaps you could
include a link, or a thematic index to his posts on the list?
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1g. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Rebecca Bettencourt" beckie...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:08 pm ((PDT))
So I have the ámman-îar script integrated into Constructium and
Fairfax now, but before I unleash this on the world, did anybody ever
see what the tal-taith forms looked like? David's site only had the
Tolkienesque annæn-ûar form and the cursive tal-eglar form, so I had
to interpolate what the tal-taith form might have looked like:
http://www.kreativekorp.com/epsilon/ammaniar.png
Is that at least recognizable as ámman-îar?
I joined the list long after David stopped posting, but I can tell
from the table of contents alone that he was an amazing conlanger, and
I feel I should honor him the best way possible. :)
-- Rebecca Bettencourt
"I could counter with the fact that a disproportionate number of TG
women I know are computer programmers. ::grin:: In fact, there's a
joke going around that says exposure to computer screens causes
transsexuality." -- Kate Bornstein
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1h. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" pwd...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 10:42 pm ((PDT))
Ille adaensier, Dawaed. Gal ufoi silan maeci.
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1i. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "David Johnson" lethketa-boa...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:40 am ((PDT))
I did not know David during his days on this list, but I came across his
website a few years back, probably linking from Richard Kennaway's links
page. Even then, though I was not very advanced as a conlanger, I could tell
I was looking at quality work.
A worth winner. May he rest in peace. Thank you, David P, for finding and
restoring his website.
I guess this situation is one we will encounter more as time goes on.
Perhaps the LCS needs to develop a policy?
David
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1j. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "R A Brown" r...@carolandray.plus.com
Date: Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:53 am ((PDT))
Adam Walker wrote:
> Sad to hear that he is gone. I remember looking forward
> to his posts about amman iar. He is one of many folks
> from the old day who I wish were still posting.
Amen.
> I guess
> I'll be in nostalgia mode for the rest of the day.
You and I both - tho in my case it's tinged with a degree of
sobriety, one might say of _memento tori_, and a great deal
of sadness since David was younger than me :(
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Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> Hallo!
>
> On Wed, 1 Shep 2010 05:02:46 -0700, David Peterson wrote:
>
>> The winner of the 2010 Smiley Award is Amman ear.
>
> A very worthy winner indeed. ámman îar always was one of
> my favourite conlangs (though I must confess that I let
> it slip out of my mind somewhat when the author had
> ceased posting here and his web site disappeared); it
> epitomizes what I feel to make out the essence of the
> kind of conlang I like most: naturalistic, deep, and
> well-considered.
Altho it's not the sort of conlang that immediately attracts
me, I do agree it was indeed "naturalistic, deep, and
well-considered" and, I would add, well crafted.
[snip]
>> for his brother, and about a week ago, I got the bad
>> news: David Bell had died a few years back.
>
> I am saddened to hear that. I have wondered what had
> happened to David Bell by myself; but hearing that he has
> passed away, nevermore to enrich the discussion on this
> list, is sad indeed. May he find eternal happiness in
> another more perfect world.
Amen to all that! Requiescat in pace, et lux perpetua luceat ei.
>> [...] In addition, I've been working over the past few
>> days to restore David's original site. I've taken what
>> I can find from archive.org and moved it to a new
>> location:
>>
>> graywizard.conlang.org
>
> That is a great service to us all. This language is too
> awesome to let it fall into oblivion. Thank you!
It is indeed a great service - yes, it would be a pity if
the language had just vanished into cyberspace. Many thanks,
David.
--
Ray
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"Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
[J.G. Hamann, 1760]
"A mind that thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language".
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1k. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Jim Henry" jimhenry1...@gmail.com
Date: Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:12 am ((PDT))
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:38 AM, David Johnson
<lethketa-boa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I guess this situation is one we will encounter more as time goes on.
> Perhaps the LCS needs to develop a policy?
Perhaps; and it's something we should all think about individually,
how to help preserve the websites of conlangs we think highly of,
should their creators predecease us, and how to make it easier for our
fellow conlangers to preserve any of our work they think worth
preserving when we're gone.
I used wget to preserve a fair number of conlang websites[*] from
Geocities shortly before it went down. There are other programs for
the same purpose out there, some perhaps easier to use if not more
powerful. Perhaps those of us with plenty of hard disk space unused
should make a habit of regularly doing that with the websites of a few
fellow conlangers, and make it known, when and if those conlangers die
or otherwise disappear from our community, that we have offline copies
of their sites and can send them to those who are interested.
And, in the other direction, we can make it known that we're licensing
our websites (and mailing list postings about our conlangs) under some
suitable license (Creative Commons, GFDL, whatever) so others can
mirror them or recreate them after we're gone without fear of (however
improbable) legal action from us or our heirs. Perhaps the LCS could
have a suitable role in working with Creative Commons on one or more
license specifically for conlangs, addressing what deriviative works
of a language (daughter languages, extensions of the language, new
vocabulary, new stuff written in the language...) a conlanger might
want to allow or forbid.
As I've said on this list before, I release the material on my website
and my posts to this list under a Creative Commons
Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States
License. I might release parts of this stuff under a less restrictive
license later on.
* -- Specifically, I have offline copies of these sites - most of them
Geocities sites that are no longer available, though some have since
been recreated elsewhere:
adelic
ceqli
conlang archives 1991-1993
didier_willis
estel_telcontar
ilomi
james_chandler
konya
laopooh_relay4
michael_repton (zarathustra47)
taruven
voksigid (Bruce Gilson has since recreated it elsewhere)
--
Jim Henry
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
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1l. Re: The 2010 Smiley Award Winner: amman iar
Posted by: "Adam Walker" carra...@gmail.com
Date: Thu Sep 2, 2010 8:29 am ((PDT))
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Jim Henry <jimhenry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I used wget to preserve a fair number of conlang websites[*] from
> Geocities shortly before it went down.
Yes, I was a victim of Yahoo's "service upgrade" when Geocities was
deleted. I couldn't figure out, or rather didn't have accesss to a computer
where I could download the necessaries to use wget. Some kind soul here did
it for me and emailed me a copy, which I then lost due to a worm my
thumbdrive picked up from a computer in the teachers' workroom at the
college where I was then working. The conlang content was skimpy -- a
number of poorly documented languages in first-try HTML, but I also lost
some other content, poetry and, well to tell the truth, I'm not even sure
what genealogy, photographs, interesting gifs and jpgs I'd used for
backgrounds, etc. I bear Yahoo quite a grudge.
> * -- Specifically, I have offline copies of these sites - most of them
> Geocities sites that are no longer available, though some have since
> been recreated elsewhere:
>
> adelic
> ceqli
> conlang archives 1991-1993
>
I keep meaning to make available some archives I have from my earliest days
on the list. It is mostly my own posts and replies thereto, but also some
threads I just found interesting for whatever reason.
> didier_willis
> estel_telcontar
ilomi
>
Now there's a blast from the past! I remember all three of those names.
> james_chandler
> konya
> laopooh_relay4
> michael_repton (zarathustra47)
> taruven
>
Oh and Taruven. I think I may have even translated from Tauruven in a relay
once.
> voksigid (Bruce Gilson has since recreated it elsewhere)
>
> --
> Jim Henry
> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
>
Wow, I must be getting old to be this nostalgic about days gone by on
mailing lists.....
Adam
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2a. Re: And/or
Posted by: "Dana Nutter" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 9:25 am ((PDT))
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Lars Finsen <lars.fin...@ortygia.no> wrote:
> Hi,
> In my work as a translator I have often noticed that English and Norwegian
> handles the and/or concepts differently. English often uses the "or" word
> where Norwegian uses the "and" word, or the other way around.
>
> For example, last week I had a translation with several sentences of the
> kind "For systems A or B, the following applies", which I translated to "For
> A- og B-systemet gjelder følgende". That is, English seems to handle these
> things individually, while Norwegian handles them collectively.
>
> But consider "Variations due to changes in factors A, B, and C", which I
> translated to "variasjoner som skyldes endringer i A-, B- eller C-faktoren".
> Here, the English handles the factors as a group, while idiomatic Norwegian
> requires me to handle them independently ("faktoren" is singular, but in the
> definite form).
>
> Is there some theoretical background for this phenomenon in English?
>
> And I'd like to hear from native speakers of other languages how they would
> handle these expressions. How would you translate them into your conlangs?
My main conlangs so far have usuallly made these three words.
SASXSEK Deini English
ka i and
ba o or (exclusive, xor)
kaba oi or (inclusive) "and/or"
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2b. Re: And/or
Posted by: "Anthony Miles" mamercu...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:57 pm ((PDT))
In Classical Fortunatian, the forms /bor/ [...@r] and /aut/ [ot] do exist, but
I'm not sure of the semantic distinction between them. My other two
romconlang sketches are too rough to determine how they handle this. As for
Na'gifi Fasu'xa, I still don't know how to do multiple subject and direct
objects, so this is well beyond its capabilities (it probably has something
to do with parataxis).
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3a. Re: And/ or
Posted by: "Dale McCreery" mccre...@uvic.ca
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 5:55 pm ((PDT))
In Michif we have quite a few words for and, I think we use different ones
depending on whether we're coordinating clauses or NPs, but I notice that
a lot of the situations we actually use the word for 'also', as in 'A
miina B miina C'...
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3b. Re: And/ or
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" tsela...@gmail.com
Date: Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:48 pm ((PDT))
On 2 September 2010 02:53, Dale McCreery <mccre...@uvic.ca> wrote:
> In Michif we have quite a few words for and, I think we use different ones
> depending on whether we're coordinating clauses or NPs, but I notice that
> a lot of the situations we actually use the word for 'also', as in 'A
> miina B miina C'...
>
In Greek, και means both "and" and "also, too". There's no other word that
means "and" in the language (at least not in Modern Greek, I don't know
about Ancient Greek or Koine).
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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3c. Re: And/ or
Posted by: "René Uittenbogaard" ruitt...@gmail.com
Date: Thu Sep 2, 2010 12:51 am ((PDT))
Swahili 'na' can mean 'and', 'also' and 'with'.
René
2010/9/2 Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <tsela...@gmail.com>:
> On 2 September 2010 02:53, Dale McCreery <mccre...@uvic.ca> wrote:
>
>> In Michif we have quite a few words for and, I think we use different ones
>> depending on whether we're coordinating clauses or NPs, but I notice that
>> a lot of the situations we actually use the word for 'also', as in 'A
>> miina B miina C'...
>>
>
> In Greek, και means both "and" and "also, too". There's no other word that
> means "and" in the language (at least not in Modern Greek, I don't know
> about Ancient Greek or Koine).
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>
> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
>
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