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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
From: Gary Shannon
1b. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
From: Gary Shannon
1c. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
From: Ph.D.
1d. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
From: Gary Shannon
1e. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
From: Peter Bleackley
2a. Re: Naming Language for NaNoWriMo: Phonology & Orthography
From: Arthaey Angosii
3a. Incorporating Romlang setting idea
From: Peter Bleackley
3b. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
From: Douglas Koller
3c. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
From: Eugene Oh
4. Fw: Help CONLANG movie get distribution!
From: Ph.D.
5. What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
From: Matthew Martin
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1a. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Nov 1, 2010 10:30 am ((PDT))
Since all of my previous conlangs (with the exception of a reverse
Polish experiment) have been SVO, my first executive decision in
creating my new, unamed 30-day conlang is that it will have VOS word
order so that I won't be tempted to borrow from any of my older
grammars.
In fact, after playing with English glosses I settled on this basic
sentence structure:
VPOTS
V = verb, only exists in the present tense
P = zero or more prepositional phrases
O = optional direct object (if verb is transitive)
T = tense modifying aux/particle
S = subject
So there would English glosses like:
Give to Mary the book did John.
Climb the tree will my cat.
Run has-been-doing the dog.
I will update my website later today with a translation of the first
few sentences (75 words worth) and the complete lexicon once I get
that far.
--gary
http://fiziwig.com/conlang/thirty_day.html
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1b. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Nov 1, 2010 2:24 pm ((PDT))
FWIW: The first day's translation is done:
Miro kinta ka'anui susa ne ban khanu, kho byano matawika luyatu ne
ka'anui opa hali. Dota edo mapona sofalia yamu a majamosa lela mapona
amalu ia raharu ne hali. Vago rabasui muza ka'anui dona hali, kho edo
jamosa xumbia hake dona maya. Bosio kiza futanui dona hali a bosio
hayatui opa dozan pelu, luken pelu, a uradu ai sopekui dona maya. Edo
tepira dekaru dona piata wakiri a xunga dumuru ai piata kuzia sumpi.
These people also were cave-dwellers, but their caves showed the
result of a higher intelligence that brought them a step nearer to
civilized man than the tribe next "toward the beginning." The
interiors of their caverns were cleared of rubbish, though still far
from clean, and they had pallets of dried grasses covered with the
skins of leopard, lynx, and bear, while before the entrances were
barriers of stone and small, rudely circular stone ovens.
There are interlinears and a complete English-to-X and X-to-English
lexicon on my web page: http://fiziwig.com/conlang/thirty_day.html
--gary
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1c. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
Posted by: "Ph.D." p...@phillipdriscoll.com
Date: Mon Nov 1, 2010 6:23 pm ((PDT))
Gary,
I like the start of your new conlang, but I never thought
you'd ever use terminology like "that 'kh' is a voiceless
velar or possibly uvular fricative." :-)
--Ph. D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Shannon" <fizi...@gmail.com>
To: <conl...@listserv.brown.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
> Since all of my previous conlangs (with the exception of a reverse
> Polish experiment) have been SVO, my first executive decision in
> creating my new, unamed 30-day conlang is that it will have VOS word
> order so that I won't be tempted to borrow from any of my older
> grammars.
>
> In fact, after playing with English glosses I settled on this basic
> sentence structure:
>
> VPOTS
>
> V = verb, only exists in the present tense
> P = zero or more prepositional phrases
> O = optional direct object (if verb is transitive)
> T = tense modifying aux/particle
> S = subject
>
> So there would English glosses like:
>
> Give to Mary the book did John.
> Climb the tree will my cat.
> Run has-been-doing the dog.
>
> I will update my website later today with a translation of the first
> few sentences (75 words worth) and the complete lexicon once I get
> that far.
>
> --gary
> http://fiziwig.com/conlang/thirty_day.html
>
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1d. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
Posted by: "Gary Shannon" fizi...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Nov 1, 2010 6:41 pm ((PDT))
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ph.D. <p...@phillipdriscoll.com> wrote:
> Gary,
> I like the start of your new conlang, but I never thought
> you'd ever use terminology like "that 'kh' is a voiceless velar or possibly
> uvular fricative." :-)
>
> --Ph. D.
LOL! Just to prove that sometimes an old dog CAN learn new tricks. :)
Besides, I needed a way to describe the sound I was making while
saying the word, so I figured I might as well learn the correct
terminology.
--gary
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1e. Re: Just For Fun: A 30-Day Conlang
Posted by: "Peter Bleackley" peter.bleack...@rd.bbc.co.uk
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 1:07 am ((PDT))
staving Gary Shannon:
> Since all of my previous conlangs (with the exception of a reverse
> Polish experiment) have been SVO, my first executive decision in
> creating my new, unamed 30-day conlang is that it will have VOS word
> order so that I won't be tempted to borrow from any of my older
> grammars.
>
> In fact, after playing with English glosses I settled on this basic
> sentence structure:
>
> VPOTS
>
> V = verb, only exists in the present tense
> P = zero or more prepositional phrases
> O = optional direct object (if verb is transitive)
> T = tense modifying aux/particle
> S = subject
>
> So there would English glosses like:
>
> Give to Mary the book did John.
> Climb the tree will my cat.
> Run has-been-doing the dog.
>
>
Sounds like Yoda, it does.
Pete
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2a. Re: Naming Language for NaNoWriMo: Phonology & Orthography
Posted by: "Arthaey Angosii" arth...@gmail.com
Date: Mon Nov 1, 2010 4:14 pm ((PDT))
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:25 PM, neo gu <qiihos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> are you *sure* you want to use that phonology and orthography for
> NaNo? Looks like lots of opportunities for typos!
That's very true. I still like the orthography; "IÅèna" makes me
happier than "Ishenna" (although I could type the latter and
search/replace it into the former at the end of the month...).
--
AA
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3a. Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Posted by: "Peter Bleackley" peter.bleack...@rd.bbc.co.uk
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 2:04 am ((PDT))
My "Latin by the Road Less Travelled" idea seems to be heading towards
some type of marked nominative system at the moment, which has given me
an idea for the setting and conhistory.
Some time during the Second Triumvirate, a Roman merchant ship
returnining to Egypt from India was blown off course by a storm and
ended up wrecked somewhere on the coast of Ethiopia. The ship was too
badly damaged to repair, and they had no idea how far from
"civilisation" they were, so they bartered what they could salvage from
their cargo for the things they needed to set up their own colony
(including contunerbales).
Any comments?
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3b. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Posted by: "Douglas Koller" lao...@comcast.net
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 2:33 am ((PDT))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bleackley" <peter.bleack...@rd.bbc.co.uk>
To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2010 5:01:22 AM
Subject: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Some time during the Second Triumvirate, a Roman merchant ship
returnining to Egypt from India was blown off course by a storm and
ended up wrecked somewhere on the coast of Ethiopia. The ship was too
badly damaged to repair, and they had no idea how far from
"civilisation" they were, so they bartered what they could salvage from
their cargo for the things they needed to set up their own colony
(including contunerbales).
Any comments?
They bartered a shiny bauble for the "z" in "civilization". ;D
Kou
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3c. Re: Incorporating Romlang setting idea
Posted by: "Eugene Oh" un.do...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 3:03 am ((PDT))
My first thought was: you'd have to drastically improve the naval technology
of the times to make their failed trip possible in the first placeâ¦
2010/11/2 Peter Bleackley <peter.bleack...@rd.bbc.co.uk>
> My "Latin by the Road Less Travelled" idea seems to be heading towards some
> type of marked nominative system at the moment, which has given me an idea
> for the setting and conhistory.
>
> Some time during the Second Triumvirate, a Roman merchant ship returnining
> to Egypt from India was blown off course by a storm and ended up wrecked
> somewhere on the coast of Ethiopia. The ship was too badly damaged to
> repair, and they had no idea how far from "civilisation" they were, so they
> bartered what they could salvage from their cargo for the things they needed
> to set up their own colony (including contunerbales).
>
> Any comments?
>
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4. Fw: Help CONLANG movie get distribution!
Posted by: "Ph.D." p...@phillipdriscoll.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:37 am ((PDT))
Still a long way to go on this.
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> Date: Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM
> Subject: Help CONLANG get distribution!
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5. What kind of minimal pairs are most problematic?
Posted by: "Matthew Martin" matthewdeanmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:45 am ((PDT))
I'm working on a 30 day Conlang as well, I've got my word list, now I need to
remove defectives. I think minimal pairs are hard to learn (I don't know if
that
is true or not, an issue that's kind of secondary to my goal).
What sorts of minimal pairs cause the most trouble?
cat, cot, kit, koot, kite, Kate? Varying by middle vowel
brown, frown, crown, town? Varying by initial letter
pond, bond -- varying by a similar sound
farm, fart, Fark -- varying by the final letter
Or are the all likely to lead to recall confusion?
And another question is, if I aggressively remove minimal pairs, will I have
precluded all forms of poetry out side of free verse and haiku-like syllable
counting?
And I'm posting my progress on Twitter with the hashtag #30DayConlang
Thanks,
Matthew Martin
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