I get a lot's of beeep when The desktop add icons and when I open the find or save-file window in netscape. In the console from where i started X i get: window-position Symbl value is void : window-position Symbl value is void : window-position Symbl value is void : window-position Symbl value is void : And yes I removed .gnome* after I upgraded all gnome rpms. (Im running gnome and sawmill) /M