The first will soon be removed from contrib, and the second can't be included, both for patent and licensing issues. I'll try nevertheless to maintain both, and you'll can find latest versions on Penguin Liberation Front ftp site ftp://durruti.univ-reunion.fr/pub/distributions/plf New updated versions are already available. Enjoy ! -- Guillaume Rousse Murphy's law : If anything can go wrong, it will. O'Tool's commentary : Murphy was an optimist.