I just reinstalled 8.0 and attempted to use the software manager to update it as I assumed since Traktopel has been out awhile now there would be some updates available. Not so, according to ftp.ciril.fr. Wasn't there at least an upgrade to KDElibs from 2.1.1 to 2.1.2? Not to mention the security ones RedHat sends me mail about.... What is up with this? -- -m-