So I finally go back to fresh install after that gtk loop nonsense and my serial mouse dont work. Not the first time either... mirrors: carroll.cac.psu.edu jungle.metalab.unc.edu mouse: cirque (think it's a glidepoint) what ive tried: modprobe serial why it didnt work: module isapnp not found and module serial not found when it happened before: eh...some time may be a year or 2...not that long, sorry, ago and on du.se mirror I dunno.......................................................................................................... Im so tired ;(