Buchan,

Actually we are thinking almost the same. BTW I didn't know that the
XFree drivers run for some Geforce, in this case could be a good idea
that installation of the 3 basic cds (open source cds) should include
information for the user about what drivers to select and about the
possibility to obtain the nvidia drivers being member of the club or
buying a pack.

BTW I have the NVIDIA rpms for rc2, if you like the NVIDIA-kernel I
could send the rpm to you this afternoon (now 12:29 in Spain I am at
work and the rpms are in my home computer.

Still the tuxracer free crash X in some of the racers (Who says the
penguins can't fly) but the whole commercial runs fine. Perhaps is a bug
of the last release; I will see if the release is the same that was
comming with 9.0 and if not I will install that of 9.0 to test it.

Now I am going to give a class.

See you later

Francisco Alcaraz
Murcia

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Remitente: Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fecha: Miércoles, Marzo 5, 2003 11:54 am
Asunto: Re: [Cooker] RC2, first impression (video card problems)

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> N Smethurst wrote:
> > Le Mercredi 5 Mars 2003 01:26, jokerman64 a écrit :
> >
> > If these useless drivers were not included, the user would have 
> to use
> VESA.
> > That is the whole point of not including them until they work. After
> that,
> > it would be up to the user whether to install the nvidia binary
> drivers or
> > not.
> 
> But they work great for GeForce2/3 ... so it would be better to use nv
> on them and only vesa on GeForce4.
> 
> >
> > However, considering the agony I experienced of staring at a monitor
> running
> > at some horrible refresh rate, I would suggest that Mandrake try to
> assist
> > users with nvidia cards (and users of the the newer ATI cards and 
> anyother
> > cards) to download the binary drivers and install them correctly. 
> They do
> > not have to be included in the distribution, but at least the
> distribution
> > could provide some form of help (even if it is just a little bit of
> > information and a link or two to the relevant downloads/tutorials 
> on the
> > web).
> >
> 
> AFAIK, Mandrake Club members, if they setup the urpmi club source with
> drakfw should be able to just rerun XFdrake. If not, then at most all
> the will need to do is install NVIDIA_GLX and NVIDIA_kernel from the
> club, and then run XFdrake.
> 
> > Go and look at the most voted rpm in the club. Users want help 
> installing> these drivers, so if they cannot be included in the 
> distro due to
> licencing
> > problems, at least users should be helped to download them and 
> install> them, instead of providing them with drivers that are not 
> yet finished
> and
> > consequently don't work properly.
> >
> 
> Also remember that the NVidia drivers are included on all commercial
> sets, and work out-the-box.
> 
> For those who really don't want to give Mandrakesoft any financial
> contribution until their display card works, I may update
> http://ranger.dnsalias.com/nvidia_me for 9.1. Then again I may not.
> 
> Users paid NVidia good money for a card like a GeForce4Ti. NVidia 
> shouldbe the one ensuring their hardware is well supported for 
> their users.
> 
> If you have paid Mandrakesoft for the distro (either via club or 
> buyinga set), setup is trivial. If not, you need to consider 
> whether you want
> to support proprietary softare (like the NVidia drivers) with your 
> money(by buying NVidia cards), or whether you want to support free 
> software(via Mandrakesoft).
> 
> It's up to users, Mandrakesoft has done more than their part.
> 
> Buchan
> 
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