Thanks Michel On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: > see inline > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Samuel Rose <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Just to remind you, what we have at the P2P Foundation is a series of >> > 'hoses' or pipes, that are underutilized at this stage, >> > >> > Combining the right wiki categories, blog archive sections, and combined >> > delicious tag on the same subject domain would create at least a dozen >> > selective 'best of' pointers of the main trends and activities in that >> > subject domain. For me, this would be a first step, the raw material. >> > (we >> > can of course add similar best of selections). >> > >> >> >> >> I like this iterative/collaborative set of processes. >> >> We have a similar process in http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing/ >> and general social bookmarking (we are refining this now as we >> transition from Social Synergy to Forward Foundation). Yet, we also >> are deliberately going to be reviewing and rigorously summarizing key >> literature on cooperation commons subjects, and other subjects, as >> Forward Foundation. This will be part of our futures/foresight and >> systems analysis work. So, at least for us, we'll continue to actually >> contribute to summaries at http://cooperationcommons.com/summaries on >> a monthly basis starting in January (we'll have an archive or >> summaries, may of which will fit into the CoCo container as they'll be >> related to cooperation studies). >> >> >> But, beyond that, beyond carrying forward the work of cooperation >> commons, there are ways in general that all of us can coordinate on >> pooling knowledge, and collaborating on projects (example >> http://wiki.openkollab.com/wagn/Pooled_Fund_Project ) >> >> >> >> >> >> > As a transition step, we could have some collective choice system, a la >> > digg, which allows important items to bubble up .. >> > >> >> >> Do you already have this system. Also sounds in some ways similar to >> what we are doing with http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing/, >> although we are not "digging" or rating objects up or down, but we >> could be. > > > > the material is there, but I need technical assistance to create the domain > channels; my feeling of culturing is that it has grown increasingly very > technical and tool oriented and I miss the kind of tagging you did 2-3 years > ago .. >
I will be doing this kind of tagging again. I'll give you some specific tags to follow to weed out deep technology/science stuff that I am currently learning. > I find the coop commons interesting as underlying philosophy and for > ideological work, but not as replacing the practice oriented tagging that > I'm doing, so they are complementary > Yes, let's definitely not replace your processes. Theory and Praxis tagging and blogging are great. Maybe if we had a way to connect the basic resources more easily. Eg "Here's material from cooperation commons archive, forward foundation archive, and p2p wiki that is reference material for this" which perhaps could be part of something like a quarterly review? In any case, we should map out what works best for each participant, that can add value to the network ecology of our collaborating groups. > Dmytry at one point offered us to make a social news function, combining the > channels with social news seems a good option > This is a great idea, and along the lines of at least part of what I was thinking of: that we could combine forward foundation "culturing" and certain social bookmarking streams with P2P and ok ongoing research stream, and then create social news output from this (it would autoimport everything that is complementary). This social news output could also contain p2pblog stories, if you are interested in that, given the frequency of blog postings there. This could also bring in twitter and identi.ca tweets from certain users, who employ certain hashtags. The basic theme of the social news activity could be for readers to help us decide what to analyze in depth quarterly as P2P/FF/OK/CoCo (and probably some future participant groups) There is a definite social publishing component here, so it'd be great for Rick Adler and Paul to weigh in on this. If Dmytri is not producing this, then we can move forward with doing so, I think. > >> >> > Then, on the basis of those channels, we could create some added value >> > synthesis, resulting in period reports for clients or the market .. >> > >> I think we can also definitely by default figure out how to network our workflows like this, and release on a schedule, under an open license, a useful synthesis which at least in part can be further contribution to cooperation commons work (or a new type of contribution, which would be a larger report of theory and praxis). We can fund this in multiple ways: 1. We can seek donations for this particular work on an ongoing basis, and create an agreement between Forward Foundation, and P2P foundation about how we apply those donations (we would split them up so that each foundation would receive some of them). 2. Forward foundation would actively seek grants to fund this research, and the maint. of archives, the time that goes into work, the building of knowledge bases based on real world pilot projects forward foundation is engaged in, etc 3. If future forward institute (for profit branch of forward foundation) receives payment from clients related to this work, FFI will tithe contributions to Forward Foundation, which in turn will support the not for profit work, release of open license content, maintaining servers, some development etc. We could create some form of partnership agreement where a percentage of that contribution goes to p2p foundation. 4. the option to buy (a gift for 15 dollar donation, or monthly support subscription) print on demand and electric book copies of quarterly summary. There are probably more ways to think about funding Let us keep it all on the table now, and carefully discuss (even if it takes more time to do so) and hear more from Open Kollab about how Open Kollab can weave it's way into this. But, I think we have a good working model now: Social bookmarking and micro-blogging, and blogging, in progress knowldge building in wiki, and monthly research/analysis output of forward foundation can be streamed into a channel and combined with social bookmarking, wiki, microblogging, blog-reporting from p2p foundation, and this can be routed to a social news application where it can be ranked (kind of like what IFTF is doing with http://signtific.org only from multiple channels fyi signtific is down now for some reason). Readers can then rank these objects, which then could help us decide what we should summarize and co-create quarterly reports on. Quarterly reports can be structured like futures studies output, I would recommend, with cross impact analysis, etc. Forward foundation shall already be producing monthly graphics and diagrams as part of our work, which could also be part of this. Forward foundation shall also be producing periodically complex systems models, and other analysis similar to what you see at http://computationallegalstudies.com/ Foward foundation and partner social venture future forward institute shall also be creating pilot projects with many other partners around the world, seeking to iteratively grow wealth generating ecology models in real world conditions. This means that Forward Foundation shall also be producing open source software, open licensed hardware, and openly released creative media output as part of these projects. So, there could be a section in our activities where we define the emerging models we are working with as part of contribution to knowledge base. I think OK can also contribute in this way, by both researching emerging business models and ways of pooling resources in commons and social venture based ways, and also helping to research from a social venture perspective, if not also in other ways. People can also hire us on request to create custom analysis of this research work. >> I was also looking at pursuing ways to find ongoing funding for this >> activity. Even without funding, there is lots that we are all already >> doing that could be synthesized and released for instance quarterly. >> this could be a joint effort, carry all 3 (or four if you include >> cooperation commons) names. I think it could be important to show all >> entities to convey that it is very possible for people to create >> network processes like this. > > > > I think it will be difficult to find funding up front, but of course, don't > want to discourage efforts, but all of this, up to the synthesis which takes > a lot more time, can be done as spin-off with marginal extra effort, it's a > repurposing and re-representation of what we're already doing >> >> > Is this off base, or also what some people have in mind, more or less? >> > >> >> >> I think this gives some pathways for collaboration. I hope that Rick >> Adler, Paul Hartzog and others will read and consider, and respond to >> this :-D >> >> >Michel >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Sam Rose >> Social Synergy >> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 >> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 >> skype: samuelrose >> email: [email protected] >> http://socialsynergyweb.com >> http://forwardfound.org >> http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing >> http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/ >> http://socialmediaclassroom.com >> http://localfoodsystems.org >> http://notanemployee.net >> http://communitywiki.org >> >> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human >> ambition." - Carl Sagan > > > > -- > Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Research: > http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank: > http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > > > > -- -- Sam Rose Social Synergy Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: [email protected] http://socialsynergyweb.com http://forwardfound.org http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/ http://socialmediaclassroom.com http://localfoodsystems.org http://notanemployee.net http://communitywiki.org "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CooperationCommons" group. 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