Hi Clemens,

> On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 04:39:06PM +0000, Robbie Joosten wrote:
> > The restraint file for DGL in the dictionary was wrong and the
> > chirality of the CA was not forced into the D-chirality.
> 
> Yes, having
> 
>  loop_
>  _chem_comp_chir.comp_id
>  _chem_comp_chir.id
>  _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_centre
>  _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_1
>  _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_2
>  _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_3
>  _chem_comp_chir.volume_sign
>  DGL    chir_1    CA    N    C    CB    both
>                                         ^^^^
> 
> to distinguish a D-amino acid from its L form is not ideal. But then, the CIF
> file defines it only as a "peptide" (as opposed to the "L-peptide" of GLU) in
> _check_comp.group ;-)
That wouldn't matter as the handedness would have to be explicit anyway; 
handedness of internal chiral centres is not stored anywhere else. Besides, 
_chem_comp.group doesn't even exist in the mmCIF dictionary. It is an internal 
reference that is used (mostly) to define linkages at a compound group level 
not an individual compound level, for instance TRANS peptide bonds. As TRANS 
linkages are defined exactly the same for D- and L-peptides (and compounds 
marked by the PDB as "L-peptide linking") it would be a useless duplication to 
define all the separate categories. This is also the reason why proline-like 
and N-methylated amino acids do have their own categories as the definition of 
TRANS linkages does not fit. 

> Out of interest: is there an advantage of having
> 
>  DGL    chir_1    CA    N    CB    C    positiv
> 
> versus
> 
>  DGL    chir_1    CA    N    C    CB    negative
> 
> which would be more similar to
> 
>  GLU    chir_1    CA    N    C    CB    positive
Yes, it matches my copy of GLU.cif 😉 


> Those atom_id_{1,2,3} and volume_sign are not part of the PDBx/mmCIF
> dictionary [1] as of now and [2] seems to be slightly behind current usage as
> well (it doesn't seem to allow "both").
> 
> Does it matter?  Am I missing something?
The restraint files used by CCP4 (and Phenix) are not mmCIF compliant. This has 
become a serious issue as refinement programs now integrate the restraint files 
(including the non-supported records) into the coordinate files.

The mmCIF dictionary could indeed use some updates here as well because the 
_chec_comp_chir category alone is not very useful for defining chirality 
restraints. Obviously the documentation at ccp4.ac.uk is outdated.

Cheers,
Robbie

> 
> Cheers
> 
> Clemens
> 
> 
> [1]
> http://mmcif.wwpdb.org/dictionaries/mmcif_pdbx_v50.dic/Categories/che
> m_comp_chir.html
> [2] http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/mon_lib.html
> 
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> 
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