Hi Clemens, > On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 04:39:06PM +0000, Robbie Joosten wrote: > > The restraint file for DGL in the dictionary was wrong and the > > chirality of the CA was not forced into the D-chirality. > > Yes, having > > loop_ > _chem_comp_chir.comp_id > _chem_comp_chir.id > _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_centre > _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_1 > _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_2 > _chem_comp_chir.atom_id_3 > _chem_comp_chir.volume_sign > DGL chir_1 CA N C CB both > ^^^^ > > to distinguish a D-amino acid from its L form is not ideal. But then, the CIF > file defines it only as a "peptide" (as opposed to the "L-peptide" of GLU) in > _check_comp.group ;-) That wouldn't matter as the handedness would have to be explicit anyway; handedness of internal chiral centres is not stored anywhere else. Besides, _chem_comp.group doesn't even exist in the mmCIF dictionary. It is an internal reference that is used (mostly) to define linkages at a compound group level not an individual compound level, for instance TRANS peptide bonds. As TRANS linkages are defined exactly the same for D- and L-peptides (and compounds marked by the PDB as "L-peptide linking") it would be a useless duplication to define all the separate categories. This is also the reason why proline-like and N-methylated amino acids do have their own categories as the definition of TRANS linkages does not fit.
> Out of interest: is there an advantage of having > > DGL chir_1 CA N CB C positiv > > versus > > DGL chir_1 CA N C CB negative > > which would be more similar to > > GLU chir_1 CA N C CB positive Yes, it matches my copy of GLU.cif 😉 > Those atom_id_{1,2,3} and volume_sign are not part of the PDBx/mmCIF > dictionary [1] as of now and [2] seems to be slightly behind current usage as > well (it doesn't seem to allow "both"). > > Does it matter? Am I missing something? The restraint files used by CCP4 (and Phenix) are not mmCIF compliant. This has become a serious issue as refinement programs now integrate the restraint files (including the non-supported records) into the coordinate files. The mmCIF dictionary could indeed use some updates here as well because the _chec_comp_chir category alone is not very useful for defining chirality restraints. Obviously the documentation at ccp4.ac.uk is outdated. Cheers, Robbie > > Cheers > > Clemens > > > [1] > http://mmcif.wwpdb.org/dictionaries/mmcif_pdbx_v50.dic/Categories/che > m_comp_chir.html > [2] http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/mon_lib.html > > -- > > *-------------------------------------------------------------- > * Clemens Vonrhein, Ph.D. vonrhein AT GlobalPhasing DOT com > * Global Phasing Ltd., Sheraton House, Castle Park > * Cambridge CB3 0AX, UK www.globalphasing.com > *-------------------------------------------------------------- ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the COOT list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=COOT&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/COOT, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/