On 12/07/2017 06:46 PM, Vitaly Davidovich wrote:

    So no magic here. Just API.

This is an API version of Hans’s #3 approach.  As he said, there’s performance overhead and nothing guarantees that the referent is kept alive - that’s an implementation artifact.

I think without the VM knowing about these things intrinsically it’s not a 100% reliable solution because it’s not concretely requesting a certain behavior.

I would say that for JNI "there’s performance overhead XOR nothing guarantees that the referent is kept alive", because the overhead is caused by reference parameter management that guarantees that the referents are kept alive while the native method executes and may access them. Can we live with such overhead? I don't know. Would have to measure if it really presents a problem.

The magic would have to be performed by intrinsified method(s) (Unsafe for example), but they are just few and developed by select group of developers.

The main problem I think is not the overhead of passing referents together with addresses to JNI functions and their overheads, but lack of enforcement for this to be performed consistently. It's just too easy to split the native resource from the referent that keeps it into two parts with each having separate lifetime. API with value types could enforce such pairs (address, referent) to be kept together until they hit the final leaf operation which is typically a native method where the referent(s) are either automatically kept alive or would have to be manually, but such methods are in minority.

Regards, Peter

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